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A Matter of Taste
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 20:53
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I was at that rave and had a lot of fun (it was mostly techno and dnb oriented, the Israeli crowd wanted psytrance). Aphex Twin was VERY scary there, and all of the poor souls that were on acid (at least 30% of the crowd) ran away screaming in horror (or very close to that). I had a rather freaky time there myself (and DMX Crew's live version of the nightrider theme was fuckin' awesome!!!).
Anyways - the truely great artist in any genre do their own thing. Squarepusher started out as an Aphex Twin worshipper, and does music which is totally different. Half of the known techno scene started their journey into techno as Richie Hawtin fanatics, but no one succeeds in doing what he does, while most do stuff in a very different way. So many artists in the psytrance scene are fans of Hallucinogen (if anyone remembers his live act @ The Octopus, something like 50% of the artists in Israel were there, from Alien Project to Domestic to Sandman to whatever).
About Aphex Twin's charisma - well, I love reading every interview with him, because he's f**kin' funny. I love his music. But he got where he got by doing his own thing when his thing happened to be something no one expected. He has his own taste, and a lot of it. Nothing more is needed.
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 20:57
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i agree with you fully here. and prety enjoyed that rave also. and sure about aphex as a great great musicman.
so peace love and bazookot to everybody.
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 21:44
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btw, if we talk about own tastes, let me ask u a question. u allways talk about simon possford, richie hawtin, aphex twin - all vere very well known and "golden" producers. is it your "own" taste?? i mean, its a ppl that most of other humans like too, not a bad thing but not very original if u ask me. or am i wrong about my defintion of therm "taste" that we speak about??
as for a where from got their inspiration most of artists so i cant know about most but the few i know mostly started produce their music after being at some party, surpirzed and inspired by magic they felt there... without know even what names included in that party playlist, just a feeling of something they has...
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 22:10
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Well, my taste is lately leaning more towards Amon Tobin, Autechre, Twerk, Brothomstates, Coil, Speedy J, Photek, Rino Cerrone, Charm, Bigwigs, old Koxbox stuff and Bach... none of it is 100% my taste, but it's just plain awesome music. Also a few guys that just work on their music at home don't release it that I got to know over the internet... The fact that it's not exactly what I'm looking for doesn't make it music I don't like.
Of course Posford, Hawtin and Aphex Twin make great music, that's how they got to where they are (since none of them have much MTV publicity... well, Aphex Twin's On was played on MTV at a late night when I was babysitting some 7-8 years ago on the Chillout Zone and I've loved him ever since). And everyone knows them, so they're always good examples (which is why I refer to them a lot in my posts).
No one will get something exactly to his taste. But there are quite a few that get pretty close to it and cover for it with just a lot of musical genius. Musical genius also goes a very long way, but that's a story for a different thread 
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 10, 2003 22:14
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On 2003-11-10 22:10, kaz wrote:
well, Aphex Twin's On was played on MTV at a late night when I was babysitting some 7-8 years ago on the Chillout Zone and I've loved him ever since).
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thats explain all!!:)))))))
just was interested to know, peace out.
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 00:18
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Does it really matter if you share your taste with other people?
I like to drink green tea, and so are billions around the world.
Does it make me any less special?
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nobody4
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 09:14
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Well, I think this discussion has completely gone off trax - Aphex twins was only an example, not the issue (and I hate his noise, anyway...call it art, call it ingeniousness, I call it monkey on the keys).
What I DO disagree with, is the statement that Full on is cheap (yet tasty) and Progressive is sophisticated. It is much harder to write a proper melody that is musically correct than a minimal progressive track based on loops and sample games, and this is one of the few lessons I learned in my little experience in music writing.
Progressive can be cheap, boring and totaly unsophisticated - and also vice-versa. Full on can be rich, interesting, sophisticated - and vice-versa.
This is music, not science - people like what they like because it talkes to them, and you shouldn't 'force' yourself to listen to any kind of music just to be proper and 'politicaly correct'.
my 50 cents...
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 09:40
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I never said full-on was cheap. I said it was more blunt. Which is a fact. That's the point of the genre. That's what makes it so much fun. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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drooid
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 13:58
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you make good points helen... but that is not how i read kazs post @ all  any sort of music has the potential to be just as sophisticated as any other,
[Rachmanikov Concerto no.5 anyone? hehe] and i definately agree that it takes more musicality from an induvidual to create a perfect melody [and interesting harmonies] than it does to go 'Squelch, pop, whizz bang!' [most of the time;)]
but i liked kaz' post because there was no 'heirarchy' of elegant, good food, descending to mere good 'grub' <- ozzie terminology lol
its funny how a light hearted and balanced analogy on a internet forum can be scrutinised to the tenth degree!!!!!
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blue elf
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 15:32
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how can 5000 people come to the desert rave because of aphex twin while the most of them didn't know at all who aphex twin is? they all came because of the magical words "desert rave", like kaz wrote they expected psytrance.
about mtv - clips on chillout zone 8 years ago was only animation, without showing the artists. so aphex, fsol, the orb, and many others succeeded without anyone know who they r.
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 16:43
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dunno, im not a fan of aphex twin but i saw his face billions times at media, they like him coze his provocative and strange charisma.
btw, we can change the word "charisma" that u connect to mtv to our therm "karma".
its a same thing like cosmix and mark allen for example, both super djs with years of experience, both played for return to the source, but only mark realy known and only his face we see at magazines and others media, ppl know mark allen but hardly remember who is cosmix.
i think the difference between them its a charisma or karma, call it as u want.
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Trip-
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 20:06
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On 2003-11-11 13:58, drooid wrote:
but that is not how i read kazs post @ all any sort of music has the potential to be just as sophisticated as any other |
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That's exactly my thoughts of this topic.... actually a wonderfull way of anaolgie on today's "psy"-trance circus.
Any track got potential to become a great dish depending on who's cooking it. And as any respectable cook, he wouldn't miss any detail in his dish.
Different types of coulinary is a great way to look on Musical Genres. Like.... Japanese kind dishes or Balkan etc.
Every dish made with Own-Basic Ingridients to keep a certain line of tastes in every dish.
I will end with the obvious: When you eat something japanese made - and you ate lots of japanese dishes before, enough to distinguish the uniqe japanese flavour - same as you hear a track that made by Hallucingoen - and you know who's the cook and what he was cooking.
Full on can be made with those extra spices that'll make it even listenable .... Same story with progressive and minimal.
Our own basic ingridients should be those what makes psy-trance what it is.
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technoid
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Posted : Nov 11, 2003 21:31
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Kaz: love the analogy, fantastic stuff.
I think Aphex Twin's success is mostly due to being a maverick genius. The guy is just soooo talented he practically knocks out classics in his sleep (he'd probably tell you he does literally!). He's also an awkward bastard. I remember going to see him play once and he used different grades of sandpaper disc on the decks instead of vinyl, and lay there smoking a cigar and flicking v-signs at the crowd. Bastard! 
And of course music's a matter of taste, that's what makes it so special. As it goes I like most music and most food. Except mushrooms. They're like eating slugs. Urgh! 
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Trip-
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Posted : Nov 12, 2003 12:40
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dunno which mushroomz you eat, but the ones I eaten - tasted pretty good... not to mention the after-effects
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