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432 Hz tuning: The Music of SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS
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acidkills
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 22:26
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On 2008-12-14 19:09, martyn wrote:
Once I listened to a sound installation of an american artist. He composed music in natural tuning for a specially tuned grand piano. It was a great inner experience and I would like to experiment with that, too.
I know that some vst offer the possibility for microtuning. Are there any presets for the natural / just scale or an EASY way of tuning it DIY?
Best regards - Martin
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Actually I told shamantrix to create preset for the microtuner but looks like he never did..
For now I just tune my synths to 432 cause Im too lazy/have no time to do preset for microtuner but looks like Ill have to do it..
There could be presets already for natural tuning that come with microtuner..
As I said Gandhar tuning is a spiritual vibe but if u make material music with it than theres no catch, its useless.. If u make such music rather dont bother and use 440 instead..
And theres no use of arguing here cause u cant prove spiritual stuff with material evidences, astronomy/mathematics/physics calculations dont work here if u watch from material point of view..
U have to make/listen spiritual music to realize effects of the tuning..
So turn on, tune in and drop out
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 23:36
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On 2008-12-15 11:54, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
unfortunately you seem to have a problem with women telling you something that you dont know, or at least this is how it looks.
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Wow. That is a really pathetic comment Moki.
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martyn
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 01:49
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On 2008-12-15 22:26, acidkills wrote:
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On 2008-12-14 19:09, martyn wrote:
Once I listened to a sound installation of an american artist. He composed music in natural tuning for a specially tuned grand piano. It was a great inner experience and I would like to experiment with that, too.
I know that some vst offer the possibility for microtuning. Are there any presets for the natural / just scale or an EASY way of tuning it DIY?
Best regards - Martin
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Actually I told shamantrix to create preset for the microtuner but looks like he never did..
For now I just tune my synths to 432 cause Im too lazy/have no time to do preset for microtuner but looks like Ill have to do it..
There could be presets already for natural tuning that come with microtuner..
As I said Gandhar tuning is a spiritual vibe but if u make material music with it than theres no catch, its useless.. If u make such music rather dont bother and use 440 instead..
And theres no use of arguing here cause u cant prove spiritual stuff with material evidences, astronomy/mathematics/physics calculations dont work here if u watch from material point of view..
U have to make/listen spiritual music to realize effects of the tuning..
So turn on, tune in and drop out
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What is "material music"?
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acidkills
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 11:49
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 12:14
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Blah blah blah alright.... anyone remember the point about whole numbers being impossible to attain..? |
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 12:14
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acidkills, the fact that you state music must be made in a certain way to appreciate the tuning effects, makes me realize how religious this whole subject is presented.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 12:27
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moki
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 14:31
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no it is not pathetic, it is exactly what you do people. this is full discrimination.
here is what he wrote:
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Earth's rotation period relative to the fixed stars, called its stellar day by the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), is 86164.098 903 691 seconds.
Earth's rotation period relative to the precessing or moving mean vernal equinox, misnamed its sidereal day, is 86164.090530 83288 seconds of mean solar time (UT1) (23h 56m 4.09053083288s)
So which do you use to calculate the frequency we should tune our instruments to?
Taking the first figure the closest A octave works out as 389.42474Hz.
Taking the second figure, the closest A octave works out as 389.42478Hz.
Neither of these figures are 432Hz. 432Hz doesn't even contain any decimal places so how can it possibly correspond to a physical property like the rotation of a planet, whose period is measured to 11 decimal places? If the answer is, "it's approximate, it's close enough" then by God so is 440Hz. This whole topic is such a crock of shit it's unbelievable and I honestly can't believe it hasn't been deleted. "
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man you are so poor soul really. am i arrogant to tell you that???? well then face it that there are also arrogant women out there guided by the war planet mars and sorry but if you still dont get the importance of the topic and think that it must be deleted then you are a fucking poor man. fucking boring you know. "
first you are wrong. a day has 86,400 sec and a year has 365,242 days which is 31,556,925,9747 secs. if you turn this into herz and then octavate, transpose, then you have in the 32. octave the value 136,1 hertz. this is c sharp. this is sadja, the fundamental tone in india, slightly lower than in europe and america. the corresponding tuning pitch A1 in hz is 432,10.
and no, i was not a feminist before in my life but things change. i noticed that you guys are so ridiculously caught in your old approaches.... and i have to witness here your rudeness and then the excuse that i was bringing the rudeness out of you. yeah, come and give me a batch on the ass to punish me for the fact that i know slightly more than i do on this topic. buah. mars needs women. you love 440. fine. just say you cant use 432 instead of preachaing how much you love it. it just doesnt interest you. the frequence difference is too small for your presious ears. you dont hear it. you dont feel it. and spiritual turns to be a tabu term here or what??????????? you are so old fashioned, it is incredible.
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 14:39
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whats incredible is that i ask simple question and no one want to help me with that math , seems you got it figured why dont u want to help me actualy create tune with that ?
how much semi tones should i lower the general pitch of the song so A=432hz ?
whats the bpm coresponding ?:-) www.sattelbattle.com
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 15:43
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Medea
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 15:44
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Well, let's count.
440 432 = 1.0185185185185185185....
So, load all your tracks in Sound Forge, apply time stretch, make sure the "Preserve picth" is unchecked, and
yuuuhuuu!
your tracks are spiritusl or whatsoever, didn't read the whole topic 
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sorry for offtopic again, Colin OOOD please delete some messages in your inbox, i can't PM you...
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 16:37
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Moki,
I don't understand what 432hz tuning has to do with women and mars... Calling someone boring is being arrogant... You are full of insults and karma will probably do its course with you.
As for being oldfasioned, this is the most redicilous thing so far, since in the past musical instruments were tuned into many tunings such as 416, 432, and 450.
Using the word 'fucking' doesn't make your statement any more stronger. Just makes it look how weak you are in passing your message.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 19:44
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 20:06
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On 2008-12-16 14:31, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote: no it is not pathetic, it is exactly what you do people. this is full discrimination.
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Yes it is discrimination in the original sense of the word. In this case, discrimination against bullshit. That is a good thing.
Colin never said anything about you being a woman. You brought that up. Probably because it is easier to imagine a fault in someone else rather than address the points being made and consider the idea that you might be completely wrong. It demonstrates mental weakness on your part.It is a bit like a person calling the police racist/sexist/whatever when he/she gets arrested for a crime that they committed. Weak.
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man you are so poor soul really.
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Because he doesn't believe in childish fantasies? It is poor to need those childish fantasies to give meaning to your life.
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am i arrogant to tell you that????
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Considering that you are wrong and didn't address the actual points being made, yes.
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well then face it that there are also arrogant women out there guided by the war planet mars
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There you go bringing up the sex thing again. It is pretty clear that you are the sexist one here. As for that astrology non-sense, that is for people too stupid to discriminate between fantasies and reality.
The technical term for not being able to distinguish reality from fantasy is insanity.
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and sorry but if you still dont get the importance of the topic and think that it must be deleted then you are a fucking poor man. fucking boring you know. "
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I guess to some people with no imagination reality might be boring. To me, and I believe to others too, the world is interesting and beautiful enough without childish fantasies. Of course it takes much more effort to try and learn to see and understand the innate beauty of the world.
Childish fantasies with no substance are a mental cop out. So easy, so useless. Just a weak excuse for mental laziness and not dealing with reality.
Obviously you do not have the communication skills to write without swearing. I guess it must be painful when people point out such obvious flaws in your religion. Look into yourself. Educate yourself. Grow up.
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first you are wrong. a day has 86,400 sec
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Lets not be too precise here or the whole religion might collapse. We can't have that now can we?
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and a year has 365,242 days which is 31,556,925,9747 secs. if you turn this into herz and then octavate, transpose, then you have in the 32. octave the value 136,1 hertz. this is c sharp. this is sadja, the fundamental tone in india, slightly lower than in europe and america. the corresponding tuning pitch A1 in hz is 432,10.
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You need to give a good explanation of why the (approximate) time it takes for the earth to circle the sun has anything to do with music. This kind of superstition obviously fills some deep need you have but you must come up with something far more solid to convince the rational amongst us. Vaguely similar patterns and numbers really is not a good enough explanation.
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and no, i was not a feminist before in my life but things change.
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Maybe it is one of your defence mechanisms against people criticising your illogical superstitions? I guess it is more of an ego boost to blame the criticism on male chauvinism than to admit that maybe, there is truth in the criticism. It would mean growing up. I doubt you are capable.
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i noticed that you guys are so ridiculously caught in your old approaches....
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Excuse me? Who is the one that keeps bringing up the "ancients"? Yes that is you.
Wake up! It's the 21st century. Religion and superstition is so passée.
It amazes me that the religious and superstitious always accuse others of exactly that which they do themselves. There seems to be something deeply broken in the religious and superstitious mind. Something that somehow makes logical and rational thought near impossible.
Which then of course begs the question, why bother trying to discuss such things with these people? Because it matters. It matters greatly. We can not address the problems of the world if they can not be approached in a logical manner. Religion and superstition corrupt the mind and hinder logical thought.
Religion and superstition are the greatest cause of war, grief and misery. Yet people prefer their little ego trip above real solutions. They like to imagine they are on to some cosmic secret that others just don't get.
In reality, others know you are just a fool that latches on to anything that makes you feel special because you are to weak to do the real hard work of learning and discovering and, most importantly, being honest to yourself.
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and i have to witness here your rudeness and then the excuse that i was bringing the rudeness out of you.
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Some people just can't stand bullshit. Some, like you, just can't stand reality.
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yeah, come and give me a batch on the ass to punish me for the fact that i know slightly more than i do on this topic.
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Do you actually think before you write stuff?
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buah. mars needs women. you love 440. fine. just say you cant use 432 instead of preachaing how much you love it.
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He never said that. It makes absolutely no difference. At least no hippy bullshit cosmic difference. It does make a difference to the brightness of the sound and the ease of singing to different pitches and tunings etc. That's all.
You have not discovered the deepest cosmic secrets of the world. You are just giving yourself an ego trip.
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it just doesnt interest you. the frequence difference is too small for your presious ears. you dont hear it.
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Calling your bullshit for what it is has nothing to do with being able to hear the difference in pitch. Keep telling yourself such lies. Keep pretending others don't understand. Keep boosting your fragile ego. Obviously you need it...
You seem to be a Goa Gill fan. Talk about not having any musical feeling...
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and spiritual turns to be a tabu term here or what??????????? you are so old fashioned, it is incredible.
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Your primitive superstition is old fashioned. As old as humans. Time to move on. Time to grow up.
PS: There is nothing wrong with spirituality but spirituality does not equal bullshit.
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