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[12.06.07] Skazi live @ Ft. Liquordale - Beachplace
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Yidam
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 09:12
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Somewhat anticipated this kind of reply. Those are reasonable points Magox and but I feel that your definition of promoter is very different from what I was ranting on about.
If you look at collectives around the states : touch samadhi, shiva shakti, atl psy, chilluminati, esoteric gen.... you'd see the difference. The very basis of their motives is different. Revolution is using the excuse of '30 people wont do it' to justify the fact that they HAVE to do it Skazi style. That is exactly the time where the motives of such organizers are tested.
You will not break even at the first party... probably all the way till the 3rd or 4th. Most collectives start at numbers like 30-40.
Chilluminati took 4 years to reach 250. Gaian Mind's being doing it since 1996 and are finally hitting 700.
Revolution wants something else and that shows how they've changed to suit the need of Florida. Theres no point arguing against it because its a different language. Skazi will attract thousands without any community effort. Can't fight the numbers if numbers is what justifies success.
This is not a 'gathering'... the outlook is too club-promoter oriented to create the vibe that we out here look for. Skazi parties fit perfectly into this whole glitz/glam environment, so you can't even blame Revolution for doing what they do. They're just competing with the rest of Miami.
It's a shame that Florida is missing out on the real thing though. There probably are lots of people (100?150?) out there who are unconsciously looking for the kind of parties that allow them to escape the city rockstar ego. Open minds exist in every corner of the planet.
Not going to be petty and say "don't call yourself psy"...call yourselves what the heck you want. Its a matter of opinion & experience. If someone asks me about psytrance in Florida though, my reply is that it does not exist...sorry!
and btw... don't underestimate the talent coming out of Israel. Hommega, Com.pact, Utopia records artists would fit in very well with what you guys are doing. Might require a bit more promo work but it would definitely give people a broader spectrum of dance & thought than Skazi or IM would.
Check out LOUD.. they do a great crossover without the attitude.
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Magox
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 11:31
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i agree with you yidam on your points...
I suppose it just depends in what it is that you are trying to accomplish.
It takes a lot of hard work and dedication and tons of patience to be able to create something special. I admire all these collectives that are willing to sacrafice themselves for long periods of time to be able to create the sort of scene that they have envisioned.
I don't really see Revolution as a collective but more of an events promomotions. I don't believe that they share the same vision as chilluminati, touch samadhi or gaian mind. So comparing them to these collectives, well.....there is no comparison. once again no disrespect to revolution, just that there vision is something different.
and yes, there is nothing wrong in saying that the Florida psy scene doesn't exist... cuz that is the truth. I have to travel across the nation to get my injection of psy  .
I believe that Revolution is very content in providing these artists to the southern florida public. They don't promote their events as psy events, they just promote them as musical events. So when you go to see them play, it's like seeing a rock group or famous club dj, that's the way you have to look at it when attending.
I am peaking in to my magical crystal ball, and I see some things that are in the works behind the scenes for developing something out this way.
It's not going to be easy, but nothing good comes easy anyways. 
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Yidam
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 11:59
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Glad to hear theres hope on the horizon. We drove around the coast from Panama city to Jacksonville a couple of years ago and found tons of deserted beaches...don't even need more than 30 ppl in places like that. Most collectives started similarly... and all look back on those days as the golden years.
If some of these guys who are part of Revolution really have the incentive to do it
properly they should tie in financially. If Skazi parties allow smaller outdoors to happen then all the more power to them. |
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Skeeve
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 17:16
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what I want to know is seeing that this is Skazi !LIVE!... is there a Skazi dj set? |
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mono mono
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 22:31
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Was there a "SKAZI LIVE!" on the flyer? I didn't notice it offhand.
Who's Transoverload? They're listed as "Live", is this original psytrance?
Regarding "spreading the psy message", you'd figure the other DJs will be playing psytrance before/after Skazi. In that case Skazi will provide some good entertainment value along with your manditory dosage of psyage...hell if I'm anywhere near Lauderdale i'll go, $25 seems reasonable...depends on how much they charge for the drinks. hiccup. Don't know about you all but I can appreciate drunk horny (hippy) headbanger women!
This club's on the 3rd floor...is it very large?
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revolution_events
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 23:29
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revolution_events
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 23:33
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Laguna Beach night club located on, 3rd floor beach place, on A1A. the club got ocen view. around the 900
capacity.
Yidam,
you are talking about revolution, like you know us personally for years,
or you have been in most of our parties. did you?
where did you see me mention anything with using the excuse of '30 people wont do it'
dont twist the reality, for your 50 cent philosophy,
and yes 30 people want do it, whatever it is, a club, open air, festival,
mybe around the fire, with marsmelos.
you cant compare, other scenes, around the us, with miami scene,
dont be sorry. there is no psy trance scene in miami,
people are coming here for few months and leave.
"Skazi will attract thousands without any community effort"
not in miami, we still talking about hundreds, depens on season.
if you read, my last post, you will understand where we comming from.
but you dont care, you just looking for the action, and to show everyone "i know about psy"
so let me tell you what ever you know about psy, not count here in miami.
as far as i know atleast one of the organization you mention booked
infected mushroom in the passed.
nothing is a shame we are proud of what we do.
and if you guys, dont like the main act we bring, come for the locals.
and dont look for a reason to ride on..
you call it vision, we call it future vision.
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ROE REVOLUTION
www.myspace.com/revolutionproductions
roe@revolutionbookings.com |
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Jeto
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 00:42
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If you guys want to discuss this further please do so by PM. This is a public forum and its not fair to the promoters to kill their thread.
If you have opinions thats fine, express them don't force them on people.
Peace,
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Zman
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 01:14
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sure but why is non psytrance being promoted here? its not even a matter of opinion in this case, even the artist himself has requested not to be categorized under this genre?
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vapourtrail
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 18:02
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On 2007-10-12 02:59, zmandan wrote:
hehe lol whatta chutiya guy... go to sleep homo 
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now thts offensive .... jus makes me realize how much of a loser u are not to take someone else's opinions ...
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 18:12
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skazi lolz?
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Yidam
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 10:04
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no I do not know you guys personally but can figure out the basics of your organization on the basis of the music you bring to your events.
and yes... when I see organizers bringing artists such as Skazi and Astral Projection I automatically feel that I know 10X more than you fellows. I've been through the process of literally worshiping them, following each track and tour and then landing up at seeing both of them live over the last 2 yrs ... and apart from their music turning pop both Skazi and AP are FAKE artists. The former pretends to play the guitar and the latter plays off their Ipod. Seen it first hand. They're amazing personalities (dont get me wrong there)... but as musicians I have lost all respect for them and the people who book them. Forget Psytrance... It's shameful for any genre of music!!!
good luck with your "music education" and "future vision" ... if this is where you begin I'm scared to ask where you guys are headed.
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Yidam
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 10:47
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what puts things into perspective is how you define them too ...
"rockstars"
they are not rockstars. they were rockstars.
nothing wrong with a rockstar if he/she justifies it through the music. they exist in every subgenre of psy... and you'll find most of them in the underground scene (mostly justified). skazi was very much there in the years before "killlargh" ... no-one cared about the attitude. the music spoke the words.
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chappele
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Posted : Nov 20, 2007 18:11
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bump for skazi's nose happy hannukah! |
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 21, 2007 01:22
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On 2007-10-17 10:04, Yidam wrote:
revolution_events
no I do not know you guys personally but can figure out the basics of your organization on the basis of the music you bring to your events.
and yes... when I see organizers bringing artists such as Skazi and Astral Projection I automatically feel that I know 10X more than you fellows. I've been through the process of literally worshiping them, following each track and tour and then landing up at seeing both of them live over the last 2 yrs ... and apart from their music turning pop both Skazi and AP are FAKE artists. The former pretends to play the guitar and the latter plays off their Ipod. Seen it first hand. They're amazing personalities (dont get me wrong there)... but as musicians I have lost all respect for them and the people who book them. Forget Psytrance... It's shameful for any genre of music!!!
good luck with your "music education" and "future vision" ... if this is where you begin I'm scared to ask where you guys are headed.
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ok..this is when the "mind your bloody business and let others have fun already" part comes in.
As much as i hate skazi, IM, AP (how did they get in this thread anyway?) i can tell you that i been living in this exact town (Ft. lauderdale) for 3 months now, and i do understand why they are bringing Skazi, and to tell you the truth i dont mind at all, and see it as a good thing...
People were talking about open minded ppl, and music taste...the way i see it (no offences to whoever i offend) ppl in US (and maybe a bit more in Miami), beeing a community closely affected by the media, measure quality by success, and media apperance, and less by artist effort, talent and progressiveness (not the music genre)...
in other words...the popularity attracts ppl more then the quality...
now...we all agree that skazi is 0 quality, and 100 popularity....but you gotta consider the rest of the acts, which could be 0 popularity, but could also easily be 100 quality... but they for sure dont get the same attention as Skazi Mr Pop Star....
to tell you the truth, this party looked like shiny gold when i first read it (mostly cause i drive by 17th everyday, and i been itching myself for some psy-fun =p )and i would love to attend to it...even tho im prolly leaving this weekend...and may, or may not be back by then...
i which the best luck for you Revolution_events folks... and i would love to join a party of yours, maybe next time... =)
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