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ZenMind
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Posted : Feb 20, 2016 20:37:56
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Posted : May 18, 2016 14:40
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knocz
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Posted : May 19, 2016 21:24
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Nice studio mixing room you setup there 
I would love to add some treatment to my studio - but space is paramount.. I had it setup as best as I could, with my desk in the center of the room (the listening point was 1/3 across) and I had a sweet spot that was nice, but with all the random gear hanging around I try to spend as little time actually in from of the monitor as possible. This took up all my space and hindered productivity.
Right now I've rearranged it to have it all against the wall. So the 7'' speakers are only a couple of cm from the wall, I'm actually against the longest wall (in a rectangle room) - if I were to put some money up front for this setup, the backwall is certainly the worst first-reflections I get in my position.
But, I'm getting older, the ears aren't what they used to be (however I somehow trust them more for some strange unknown reason), so I'm not 100% focused all day in mixing and / or mastering tunes or EQ'ing until obtained - to me - either personal perfection or deaf-like saturation.
So my studio became more of a playground than a serious working environment; I'd rather be able to have a bunch of friends over and have us all spread comfortably across the room, each participating with whatever gear is available in their premises, than having all of them trying to fit into the point of the "listening triangle" or whatchamacallit - the ideal listening position - to listen to some tune. When I'm alone, I can turn and jump around, and swap between stations 
I find the studio to be more productive like this, focused on productivity and not on pristine sound listening. I know even if I put in a ton of money on treatment I won't obtain a perfect environment, and I can always put on a pair of cans and check the mix there.
Each one designed for each need Post more pictures/videos when your setup is completely finished 
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supergroover
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Posted : May 22, 2016 14:49
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Don't you have a bit too much acoustic foam? On all sides all the high freqs are cut. That might cause a bit too little high freqs if you are not careful.
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ZenMind
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Posted : May 23, 2016 02:34
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hahaha knocz i like your studio already, post a pic, would be cool to see everyones studios so we learn from each other what works best in different environments.
My studio is very small so its hell broken lose in terms of reverberations, all freq cancelling each other, to tame just a little (i still have huge problems on low bass around 60hz and 120hz), i had to go all out with broadband traps and double layers of foam. To be near perfect i would need to cover the entire room with double layer of either acoustic foam or rockwoll (20cm thick) .
I like to hear pristine sound quality, but its impossible to have it with low budget, what i got instead was freaky crisp stereo imaging, and a very acceptable sound quality, also a more wide listening point, i can move around a little and hear no drops (its cool coz i can put my feet up in the desk and lay back lol).
Before worrying about having the coolest gear i think the first step is to have good acoustics in the studio, even my crappy behringers sound amazing (i use them to A/B mixes). And watching a movie or just listening to music its a fucking experience, mad accurate hehehe.
Supergroover, the studio is still lacking more absorption and since its broadband (not tuned), all is even. It gives a weird sensation though when no music is playing like a dizziness feeling lol.
Post some pics of your studios ppl, would b cool to share and discuss.
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knocz
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Posted : May 27, 2016 00:57
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@ZenMind Sure! Here, please don't mind the mess 
https://goo.gl/photos/P5KiKr1us28NLP1v7
I got a spare room, I let the lady do whatever she wants with the rest of the house but this room is mine to use
In this way I have a lot of space, I can record with mic's, have someone plug into the mixing table, play with the digital domain.. and guitars are my what I play best and most I know play it, so there's always something available on that end.
Yeah I'm not able to have a clear picture of what's going on.. but even if I did, I doubt I would make something great So I just do whatever sounds best to me and carry on with the fun.
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ZenMind
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Posted : May 28, 2016 16:16
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knocz
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Posted : May 30, 2016 00:17
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Yeah I'm up to for a guitar session, send me out something I can jam on top of and give me a few pointers what you want, and let's take it from there Do note, all my guitars are setup in standard D tuning.
Nice tunes you've got there, both sound quite intricate and complex On the heavy side is a bit more of my cup of tea - I tend to end up making a bluesy or funky chillout But feel free to send whatever you'd like, lets have some fun.
ps: nice tip on the Leroy Merlin, I think I'll drop by a store and pick a few things up
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Jun 9, 2016 19:18
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hey pretty nice room you have there you too. reminds me a bit my old studio.
Zen: looks good treated maybe a bit too much? but its not a bad thing if you know your acoustics you can mix in every room you want... (untill some certain point of course.) adam a7x or 6? yeah? and the other are 8 inches? so what do you prefer for working in that small room? cause i wanna set up a second small mix room.
i like this thread. finally a place where i can share something with people who are interrested in studio build ups.
i just build up a new studio one year ago. i experimented with a flushmount installation. and i use small 5inch speaker on desk to compare the mix. cause i have standing waves in a and a# (which i pretty like to work.) also my studio is set up right above a dancefloor/Dj Area /Bandroom Recording Area. on a selfbuild storey inside the room. so i can just pump in the PA from the floor / DJ Area. so i have my flushmount speaker which are in midfield speaker use (yamaha hs80m.) the desktop 5 inch speaker for nearfield and the PA wich makes sure that the bass is rumbling the shit out of the room the studio is in a loft like room 4,20 meter high in a warehouse. around 56 sqm.
im trying to get the room as flat as possible. cause i really want to work on mastering for the next 40 years maybe? still have to do a lot. but most is decor the acoustics treatment is the lesser stuff it looks very basic. but the acoustics are pretty good for now
greetz
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ZenMind
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Posted : Jun 13, 2016 20:06
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@moleqlarsuperstructure fuck my studio im moving in to yours hahahaa! You own my dream place, thats how a kitchen should look like!!!
You would benefit a lot if you ad a cloud above your mixing spot, since you have flushmount speakers (i like the sound of your Yamahas), you dont have problems in front of you, just sides and ceiling (and back of course), you will have a much better stereo image and might be able to control those standing waves to a point were they are almost gone. In your case since you have more space you wont need as much treatment as i have. Control the corners (make super chunk bass traps, easy to make and there is nothing more effective out there).
As for my room as i said it is very small and to make it right i would have to cover 100% in acoustic treatment, there is no such thing as too much treatment!
The monitors are Adams a7 and i love the sound of them, super accurate and wont tire your ears even after 12 hours straight of pounding and nerding tweaks. The behringers are 8 inches and sound pretty good in a treated room, its good for comparing and testing mixes. Last but not least i use my AKG 701s for final check, crystal clear and flat sound that will pinpoint the slightest mistake.
knocz ill start a track soon, ill pm you wen ready.
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Jun 14, 2016 13:50
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Hey Zen Thanks fot the Input and yeah you're welcome always to spend some time here if you ever come to switzerland - again? (was that you played on the snowflake dance? 2008? or 9? in the small floor?) i kinda remember your name on the flyer.....
the only problem i have is- my control room is just 1.93m high. and the top (well the whole room) is suited with SAGEX plates und a plaster layer. so the top of the control room already is treatet with those plates. so i dont really have the space for something like a cloud. maybe the floor can be isolatet much more and could have some effect on the standing waves. the back wall of the studio is kinda live end so the sound diffuse in the rest of the room i guess. my studio is something like a treehouse in comparision to most other pro studios. its against all principles you can read in the net. even my stereofield is wide as fuck. i choose 2.30 meter distance between the speakers. i think the next step will be the finish of the flush. closing all edges and isolate the stuff in the room behind the speakers totally. maybe a big basstrap in the flushmount "room" ?!
- just watched your video again. do you have any blueprints for those bass chunks hanging in your corners? looks very professional and should clearly do the job for me too i guess!
your studio looks a bit like my old one. we build a room in room very basic 16m2 (same situation like the first foto but the room was under the storey) and we just filled it out with rockwool (we really poundend all) . all sides were damped with rockwool behind perforted carton walls. it was a very dead room. then i put a laminate floor in that studio and voila there were those lil nice reflections which are pretty nice.
the only thing i had ever to struggle with in my small room was the bass.... there was no flat acoustics. and the speaker close to the wall--> the bafflestep... the sound was amazing but after some years, after moving out, after comparing everything (i remember when we took the speaker out to the woods. then we clearly heard the difference from all those tracks...) i realised that i was so used to my acoustics... but i clearly wasnt up with my ears to where im now. and your video doesnt sounds that it struggles u in the bass cheers!
i had a7x aswell. but they didnt had the amount of bass i was for looking for at the time. but the highs are precise and clearly like no other speaker in that pricerange! so i changed for the yamahas and that was where the struggles began i think.
but yeah after some years i see that the experience makes more than 95% of a track and not the studio. but those 5 % you'll ad in a studio are the fucking 5 % we want to have.
sorry for drifting away a bit. cheers mates!
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ZenMind
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Posted : Jun 16, 2016 01:12
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I copied and adapted the design of the broadband traps from this guy https://www.gearslutz.com/board/bass-traps-acoustic-panels-foam-etc/87464-how-i-built-my-bass-traps-5.html
Looking better at the design of your rooms maybe a few tube traps would fit the deco and the space better, you can spread them at will around the spaces and they absorb 360º that and a few broadband traps would suffice for controlling the entire ambient of your place (special care on control room). You have some live instruments so a really dead room is not good, a touch of control will bring that extra pleasure to the jam sessions and accurate alien production!
I agree that experience is the main factor in achieving a good mix, but added a proper acoustically treated studio you will rampage and undoubtedly detach your mixes from the rest of the pack (and theres a fucking huge pack out there lol). The better you ear the better the outcome, ad a cup of talent and xwiiing ALIEN BLISS.
I played in Switzerland a few years ago, cant remember the year, in an Aphonix Records party in Zurich, awesome crowd!
If your interested in bass trap design gearslutz haves hundreds and also the forum i posted above, a simple image search in google will give you thousands of ideas.
BoOM!
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moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Jun 23, 2016 15:32
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ya this basstraps looking pretty good. i think i will adapt some of the construction. since there is a company called "Acoustic and Room" like 100 meter from my studio. (theres a factory and they produce massive plaster walls sometimes layerd with wood. not cheap stuff. (1m2) and they throw pretty much of the stuff to the trash if there is a small damage on those plates.) the half studio and my new cabin is now covered with those from the outside. making every week some improvement here. next week ill focus on the bass traps i think. (if the summer will breakdown again of course)
tube traps. intressting read. never seen before.. but defo would fit in the bandroom area... your totally right!
/ironic mod on
if anybody needs some hightech plaster damping walls (pieces) just look for the transport ill make u a good price 
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Posted : Jul 3, 2016 05:52
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Great thread! Good links and awesome pics!
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Posted : Nov 6, 2016 01:25
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Looking good.
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