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I0m still searching information on what is said of the central banks, anyone has a reliable source?
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Posted : Oct 4, 2008 22:45
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alot of information can be found on http://www.infowars.com ... Somewhere on that site is a search function. I haven't used it yet, so can't advice on it...
but try finding your country's central bank's homepage. ex. Denmark (www.nationalbanken.dk).
They write that they are independant of the government and control the inflation and intrest rate, without government intervention...
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Posted : Oct 5, 2008 00:22
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I know that, I studied a lor of economics, I want to know if there is any academical research on this topic.
Any way, I think the more deep the film goes it loses some credibility.
I mean really can we right now scape from scarcity?
I think a lot of things makesense, except that there4 are really scarce resources, like minerals and much more important : Land.
In my opinion we are on the path to the development proposed on the video, but hummanity must pass thrugh a rough process and let the system crash by it self, naturally. Like the conclusion states.
So if progress is inevitable, and if our system will crash eventually. The conclusion is we dont even have to care for it, Just to develop ourselves in that direction: work to create technology and knowledge.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 20:11
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Login : Is land scarce ? What about afrika? How much land do they have? And how much free land is there in canada or in greenland? Or alaska?
The Venus project suggests building on water, and that's like 60-something % of the surface...
If we didn't use all our rescources to kill eachother and instead on how to improve, we would not think about having scarcety.
But I agree, we are heading towards one hell of a fight and alot of challenges, but if we keep in mind what we CAN do and CAN be, then we know how we want things changed...
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 21:50
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I have no doubt we can, but I will doubt we can right now, even with out spending on war.
Now taking in to account land, you have to discount all the land that is no suitable for human land and also the land that is natural habitat for many many other species. Its not like all of the land is disposable for human beings.
And then, if you start building things over the sea, aren us again starting to invade other species ecosystem?
I mean its not that easy, we are going to pay for our sins and i fear it will be horrible.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 22:43
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I think we are going to be put in our place by nature. Already nature is getting rough around the world.
What I do not think, is that a few people get's to decide who gets to reproduce and who don't.
But whatever is comming, we need to start seeing the truth about our world.
First the corruption within our species, then the truth about what goes on outside ourselves. If we can't handle ourselves, we sure as hell can't handle the rest of the world...
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that's a defeating and negative, atitude.
I think that what is sugested is to use your brain and knowledge to find clean alternatives to scarcety.
The sun, the wind and the waves have been here for zillions of years and wont go away, they are right there for everyone to use.
The problem is since they are not scarce, they are not good to a profit driven, indecent society, that's the mais issue.
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dont be afraid, there is nothing to be afraid of besides the mass control systems and the increasingly fat corporations, be positive, take action and be aware. |
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if u want to learn more bout central banks i think reading nething from Ludwig Von Mises will help 
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Posted : Oct 14, 2008 19:44
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well, just finished watching this one...
must say that i thought it was better then the 1st, a lot of intresting stuff and suggestions in it.
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 10:48
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@sure_smoke: Great recommendation, I had to admit I am a hard classic liberal on economics and I specially like Hayek and all the Austrian school.
The other day I made a research and learned about free baking system tha operated in XIX century, and for me it makes banks far more responsible.
Back to the topic:
@ spasm: I'm not being negative at all, I like what the movie proposes, but we must admit it lacks acuracy, specially on the land issue.
Land right now is scarce, first of all beacuse is really limited to planet earth. Second because we have to share it with other beings on the planet its not all at our disposal. And then it has several uses: agriculture, housing, leissure, railways, roads, industry etc.
So, it lacks some reality.
And the the deep moral issue of human nature Ώcan we be good all the time? Ώis violence and greed part of our nature?
I simply cant answer those questions after taking a look into human hisotry.
Can you?
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 18:22
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1 more intresting article if u haven't already read it
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr090503.htm
it's gud to know sum1 here who has intrest in economics
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 18:50
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i found it quite stimulating....if you manage to enlarge the concepts expressed and place them in a more open concept...
it illustrates the power of the monetary system and the externalities in creates quite well...how one system (US - capitalism, consumerism etc) is spreading all around (very bad), how stupid we are in using the current tech research that could achieve soo much more....how blind people really are...etc
but when looking at a resource based economy (good concept) i think it takes little consideration in a few fundamental issues.....thats where it loses credibility..
-the decision processes......ie who decides where and how to start, what to focus on, what to privilege in science, arts, etc
-the transition period before machine substitutes man....who will be left working while the other are already enjoying the good fruits of mother earth
-how to mantain the human spirit...look for food, enjoy life,...and not turning in a brainless zombie...
and a lot of others...
still....enjoyable!!
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 22:53
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@ nikthequick: that last paragraph remind me a lot of Wall-e movie...
We must remeber that for a single human being resources are scarce and nature provide us with the instic of survival. HUmans have to hunt, gatherer, sow, and now owrk, to achive survival. And that is the true nature of life not just a "artificial" consumer culture, its a thin line between both but it exist for real.
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Posted : Oct 15, 2008 23:09
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Very nice article, this is the kind of stuff editorials should be saying instead of more regulation and intervention.
Capitalism should be saved from capitalists
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