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Your career SO far ???

time traveller
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 03:22

For all those that play ,, how would you best describe your career so far

No complaints os far with Ever increasin gigs home and abroad ?

or

bit stale in terms of gigs findin it harder than u expected to get gigs

or

u happy to play in ur house and not bother playin on regular basis and u look upon what u do as a pastime .
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 05:08
1994-1998
Playing Goa Trance at mostly parties organized by myself + friends, and also visiting a few other organizers as well. 150-500 people.

1999-2000
Stopped organizing parties, played at small underground events. 50 people or so.

2000-2003
Only played in private at very small events, less than 15 people - Very intimate - This is the period in my Djing career where I learned the most about flow & technique since I recorded sets and I could talk with people and take part in their listening experience.

2004-2005
Started playing at official events again, 100-300 people. Also doing a few underground events.

2006+
Starting to organize parties again where I will do some resident DJing - Hoping to get bookings outside my own country, but time will tell. I have given up getting any high profile gigs locally - Might still do some clubbing events though.


I would be happy just to spin for myself at home, but I would really love to get to play some music at a decent festival in the morning hours

There are certain problems I encounter when seeking gigs.

1 - Lineups at parties are already booked up with the organizers themself as DJs, or their friends + people they owe gigs for "you book me, I book you" deals.

2 - DJ gigs on lineups, when not going to the above mentioned go to artists offering 2 for 1 deals. That is, DJ + Live sets. It looks a lot better on a flyer if it says its a DJ from abroad than someone from Denmark.

3.: Payment - I want to spin original CDs, but organizers will have to pay for my transport and the CDs - If I want a gig in the capital, where most the gigs are - Transportation is at least 100 USD and I will be spending 200 USD on new releases for the gig. So, I will at least have to charge them 300 USD. Apparently a DJ with 10 years of experience is not worth 300 USD in my country.

4.: Attitude - Often you will have to be friends with people or kiss ass. Those are nasty words, its about social networking really - and Im actually quite a GEEK who is not really so good at becoming popular. Im FAR better at becoming unpopular as it seems hehe (too opinionated - I actually think I have more insight into djing and other partying aspects since Ive been doing it for 2-5 times longer than they have).

5.: Theres little respect for DJing here. DJs here have become some sort of 2nd rate act. Its all about the live acts, all the ressorces go into booking them, since they will attract an audience, DJs will not. It is becoming more and more about traditional idolizing of the musicians. 3-4 Live acts at a 10 hour party is not uncommon with 1 hour DJ sets in between the liveacts. (1 hour is like 10-12 tracks)

Many of the most known & respected danish DJs - Jean Borelli, Emok, Frank E, Banel & Jahbo + more often do not get official bookings here either... So, its not just me who has these problems.

DJ slots go to organizers & friends or artists offering 2:1 deals - Theres less competition between DJs, and thus quality suffers - playing more and more into the hands of the liveacts again. (prooving to people that DJs are 2nd rate again making it more difficult to get organizers to allocate ressources to booking different DJs delivering new quality sets).

Best Wishes

Krell

          Label DJ>
www.jesterrecords.ca
Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 10:00
umm.. ok.

DJ Career so far:

2002-2003 (I was the resident DJ while the season was on top, that is 5 months or so): Greece/Crete/Hersonissos/Havana Club

Havent played live since, but it will change, soon. Right Krell!
celsung
Celsung

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 12:05
It is becoming more and more about traditional idolizing of the musicians.

Am I totally taking that out of context or is that actually as foolish as it sounds? DJ's beatmatch the music the musicians spend months making. I know there has to be a flow, and I respect that, but you cannot compare a DJ with the musician that makes him who he is.
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 13:18
Quote:

On 2005-10-26 12:05, celsung wrote:
It is becoming more and more about traditional idolizing of the musicians.

Am I totally taking that out of context or is that actually as foolish as it sounds? DJ's beatmatch the music the musicians spend months making. I know there has to be a flow, and I respect that, but you cannot compare a DJ with the musician that makes him who he is.



You are right, you are taking it totally out of context, and I dont really know if I want to answer it since it will take this thread totally off topic.

What I can tell you is this - I as a DJ I spend a lot of time listening to new releases and practicing both my abilities regarding mixing technique as well as experimenting with flow. Its not like I just go out and play records either, I will be using a lot of time preparing for any set, in order to deliver something I can be satisfied with. (I spend as much time doing this, as lots of artists do on creating music).
Also to be clear, I want to improve all the time, so I will keep doing this.

So much for the time DJing takes. My point in the above is, a good DJ works hard at getting better just like a musician works hard at creating the best music.

DJs and muscians are 2 different kinds of artists, but they are both artists. Both deserve the same amount of respect like every artists does.

I like liveacts, dont get me wrong - but there is a limit as to how many liveacts should be featured in a lineup which is really short if you want DJ sets who will really make a difference musicly.

Regarding DJ set lengths I suggest you give the following a read.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/73278/forum/1

And for a DJs versus Liveacts thread I suggest you read this thread.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/330/forum/1
(added after I posted the original message http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/2273/forum/1 )

Now, if you want to discuss it with me - Post something there please

I have the utmost respect for the people who create the music. However, we have a REAL problem with too much emphasis being put on the liveacts, and therefore the DJing culture here suffers. It is simply out of balance, this is what I am talking about - and its getting worse and worse.

And yes, it IS more about traditional idolizing about the musicians here and many other places, but believe me, if it was the DJs and not the artists getting that attention you would hear me complain about that also. Also remember, attention = ressources = playing time.

Best Wishes

Krell

          Label DJ>
www.jesterrecords.ca
a3k
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 13:25

in boom festival the dj´s seem that are still respected, u can see by the line up of last year festival...
3 hours to dj´s, and 1 hour to live acts..
one thing is 4 sure..just because someone does live act (and lately the scene has becoming over populated with crappy live acts), doesn´t necessarly mean it is more good than a dj.
the time spent on makin a track his by far very worky..
but i rather see a dj spin for 3, or 4 hours, and built a good flow, with good techniq, than a crappy live..which most of the times is pre-recorded at home, and the rest is just acting
and celsung i know a few artists that spend one or two days, makin a "selling" track..just 4 selling..
if most of the artists did really spend months on makin tracks maybe some more quality music would appear.          ...
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 13:35
Quote:

On 2005-10-26 13:25, a3k wrote:

in boom festival the dj´s seem that are still respected, u can see by the line up of last year festival...
3 hours to dj´s, and 1 hour to live acts..
one thing is 4 sure..just because someone does live act (and lately the scene has becoming over populated with crappy live acts), doesn´t necessarly mean it is more good than a dj.
the time spent on makin a track his by far very worky..
but i rather see a dj spin for 3, or 4 hours, and built a good flow, with good techniq, than a crappy live..which most of the times is pre-recorded at home, and the rest is just acting
and celsung i know a few artists that spend one or two days, makin a "selling" track..just 4 selling..
if most of the artists did really spend months on makin tracks maybe some more quality music would appear.



more

At VooV the DJ sets are 3 hours also. Good to hear the Boom does this as well. 3 hours is ideal for myself

Im actually one of the few people who doesnt mind that there isnt that much real live performance in a live act. I think its interesting to hear the artist present their own music, creating a short flow thruout his/her own tracks. Its very important that an artist gets the added motivation for creating music by the experience of presenting it to a roaring crowd

Still, it will of course need to be a really talented artist, since the set is limited to the artists own tracks. I expect completely flawless mixing of the tracks also.

All that matters to me, is the music that comes out of the PA - I dont care if its live or prerecorded - I just care about the musics quality(trackselection) & flow(relevance).

Then again, Im strange

Best Wishes

Krell           Label DJ>
www.jesterrecords.ca
Oran
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 15:45
back to the topic please...           Always agressive never progressive.
Basilisk
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 17:32
Yes Boss.

I've been doing all right... Canada, and especially Toronto, has a very small scene. I'm doing things much differently than other DJs here... I don't usually see anyone quite so dedicated. Everyone looks at me funny when I speak of harmonic mixing. I spin the widest variety of trance out of any DJ I know. I'm one of the only independants that I can think of. Everyone else has their own crew, which throws parties, which is the main source of their gigs. It tends to mean that I play very few actual psytrance parties... the other events are fun though. I'm out there spreading the sound, making converts. I often bump into people out here who run up and say hello and let me know I got them into trance. Mission accomplished

Next year should be good for me, as I am really applying a lot of energy to DJing, reviews, my web site (coming soon) and other psy-related stuff... if all goes according to plan, I'll go travel around Europe sometime next year and play some gigs. I realize DJing is very competative over there, especially with so many live acts, but I'm sure there's room for someone of my talents and tastes. There can't be too many people doing marathon sets covering everything from Kooler to Kindzadza, all harmonically mixed!
ND
ProSect

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 20:21
From more artistic side of things:

1997-1999: Discovering Goa Trance after being mainly into dance, techno and other electronic music. Catching a maniacal collector desease and starting to fill the shelves.

1999-2001: Trying to produce music, exploring the world of audio, music being made mostly for fun and on free time. Playing amoung the friends. ProSect projet was found.

2001-2002: First time the tracks of mine shown on the net and to more wider audience. Being one of the Psynews.org contests winners. Getting good feedback and taking the music production more seriously, diving deeply into the beauty of this art.

2002-2004: Producing tracks on the spare time from the college and army. Finding my own style, while the scene is on the levels of getting into the similarity and commercialism. Meeting Liron and starting the Sound Field. Both of us with a vision of being progressive and unique. First CD's hitting the label mail boxes.

2004-2005: Debut release of ProSect. Starting to experiment, touching many courners of the electronic music spectrum. Meeting Peter from Australia and launching the psychedelic freestyle project - ICO. Falling between the chairs, having hard times with music publishing. By the end of the year I've probably contacted 80% of the labels on the psy scene. A new love to more progressive, deep, tribal and funky music leading me into starting the Sonify project. Collaborating with Threshold Productions and signing our track to big UK label - Baroque. Meeting Oxygen records which support the progressive fullon with slight goa influences that comes out of Sound Field.

2005: The scene screams for a change, but no one tries to do it. Making PsyTrance with different flavours makes me out of releases while my music is popular amoung different artists and many other psy heads. Labels find it attractive but hesistate to release it. Finding myself listening to much less psy then ever, mostly into various electronic genres. On the good side of the things, the house scene surprises me with a big success of our 12" release, the single getting into #6 on BBC Radio buzz charts, chosen as track of the month on iDJ and picked by biggest DJ's around. On the psy scene, Sound Field and ProSect getting few more releases. Meeting Tribal Vision records which getting attracted by the progressive and the funky sounds coming out of my lab, signing few works with them. Working with VP records as well. Seing a little light at the end of the tunnel, when signing more different works to different labels. On the other hand, thinking of freezing ProSect project, a lot of material lies on the drive and no reason to make unwanted music anymore. Freedom of army makes me working more on the music and getting the live set ready for the next year. Hoping for good...

That's a short story of my being as an artist, I'm happy that I walked through that times without thinking of chaning myself and looking for money. On the level I'm right now it's too late to do it, so I will keep my art on.

ND.          Without Deviation, Progress Is Not Possible.

www.andivision.com
Sound Field / ProSect / Sonify / Radio Mess
clown
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 20:31
Djing career huh.. well, yeah, i guess we can call it a carreer.. its more of an expensive hobby for me, really. With that said, i really enjoy this little hobby of mine, and i often get the chance to share my view's at parties here in Montreal. I've hit a couple of gigs' in Toronto and Ottawa, but nothing really farther then that (yet, i hope).. Recently, i've gotten the chance to spin twice at Montreal's most commercial after-hours club, called ARIA. Once after Astral projection and the other after Infected Mushroom (by far the two best gigs of my life).. before this, i've gotten gigs in almost every possible place, from Small intimate gatherings, to bars, private parties, festival's and regular raves around town, not only limiting myself to the psytrance related parties. I've also quiet often been the only dj of the night spinning psytrance (more resently in the last year)..

In total, i've rounded up about 80 bookings in the last 3 years.

and as of today, im still having as much fun as the first day i layed hands on a mixer           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
http://psy.techno.fm <------- Jester Records's Internet Radio channel
www.jesterrecords.ca
zafer
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 20:49
26.03.2000 - dj set at bday party
27.03.2000 - 2 hours operation to get that fucking glass bottle pieces away from my head

2001 - back in scene, 3 hours on the line up, 5 minutes before i had to run........

2001-2002 - ass kissing

2003 - on the line up for a small event, the people realizes who i am as soon as i get on stage: this time at least it has been easier to run away since i hâd no time to open my cds bag

nowadays : realized best way to have an attentive audience for me: farting at 5-6 pm in the metro.........

tomorrow - ask your girlfriend............

he heeeeeeeeeeeeee

bye
DiMiTry
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 21:01
well, i don't see it as a career - more of a passion, since I don't really do it for money - but i think i played about 35-40 parties this year in 5 different states.. where last year it was about 20, and the year before maybe 15, and the year before that maybe 10, and then around five every year since 1998.

so i guess it's going well.. hehehe. still haven't played outside of the US - but quite a few people from Europe have told me i could play there easily, with both track selection and mixing, so maybe next year.           ..it's just another party..
Ron Lyner
Ron Lyner

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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 23:41
its not a career, only hobby
im not a professional dj but,
im playing only 3-5 times a year
most of the people hates my music here in israel (they all want 150 bpm fast music)
everytime i play, people are coming and ask me if im gonna play strong music and when i ask what is strong they say faster, alot faster.

huh??? strong = fast ??? not for me

but i still enjoy playing even if only 20% of the people are dancing
          http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
-------------------------------------
You wanna dance?!...I know a tune...it´s called stick and CUT!!
V.L
celsung
Celsung

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Posted : Oct 27, 2005 00:18
Quote:

On 2005-10-26 13:18, Krell wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-10-26 12:05, celsung wrote:
It is becoming more and more about traditional idolizing of the musicians.

Am I totally taking that out of context or is that actually as foolish as it sounds? DJ's beatmatch the music the musicians spend months making. I know there has to be a flow, and I respect that, but you cannot compare a DJ with the musician that makes him who he is.



You are right, you are taking it totally out of context, and I dont really know if I want to answer it since it will take this thread totally off topic.

What I can tell you is this - I as a DJ I spend a lot of time listening to new releases and practicing both my abilities regarding mixing technique as well as experimenting with flow. Its not like I just go out and play records either, I will be using a lot of time preparing for any set, in order to deliver something I can be satisfied with. (I spend as much time doing this, as lots of artists do on creating music).
Also to be clear, I want to improve all the time, so I will keep doing this.

So much for the time DJing takes. My point in the above is, a good DJ works hard at getting better just like a musician works hard at creating the best music.

DJs and muscians are 2 different kinds of artists, but they are both artists. Both deserve the same amount of respect like every artists does.

I like liveacts, dont get me wrong - but there is a limit as to how many liveacts should be featured in a lineup which is really short if you want DJ sets who will really make a difference musicly.

Regarding DJ set lengths I suggest you give the following a read.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/73278/forum/1

And for a DJs versus Liveacts thread I suggest you read this thread.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/330/forum/1
(added after I posted the original message http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/2273/forum/1 )

Now, if you want to discuss it with me - Post something there please

I have the utmost respect for the people who create the music. However, we have a REAL problem with too much emphasis being put on the liveacts, and therefore the DJing culture here suffers. It is simply out of balance, this is what I am talking about - and its getting worse and worse.

And yes, it IS more about traditional idolizing about the musicians here and many other places, but believe me, if it was the DJs and not the artists getting that attention you would hear me complain about that also. Also remember, attention = ressources = playing time.

Best Wishes

Krell





Those are some very good points. I see where you are coming from, Krell.
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