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Why psy may be considered "dark" at first
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lady seals
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Posted : May 6, 2011 07:57:39
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Initially, black coffee is considered too strong, too pungent, too dark. I used to feel the same when introduced to psychedelic trance music. I thought it was so dark. I did not like it.
Right now, I have no understanding at all why I did not like it. Right now, I hear Mozart. Right now, I am welcomed into A Trance. Right now, I flow with the vibration that fluctuates unpredictably yet perfectly.
Why did I not enjoy psychedelic trance when my virgin ears were introduced? Was not my mind enhanced with enough hallucinogenic blessings? No!
I am beginning to understand now what it was. I understand the sounds of psy are the sounds of nature. We are not accustomed to hearing nature in its most essential presentation. We are not accustomed to LISTENING to its pureness. We can barely comprehend the music that naturally enfolds before us in Life. This is what people call "the Trance Monster:" when they can hear the music continuously after such shows or gatherings or concerts or presentations. Following my first trance party, I heard trance EVERYWHERE... in the trucks that drove by, the birds that tweeted, in the breathe that gargled out of my friends' lips.
Thus, trance appears dark at first because we are unfamiliar. What is unfamiliar is fearful. What is fearful is strange, dark, void, unknown. When we are not accustomed to listening to the What Is surrounding us and making us and becoming us, we are fearful.
There is nothing more. The only reason psy appears dark is that it is unfamiliar. That is all. There is nothing to fear. Just practice. Listening! 
I listen to many genres of music. It took me the longest to understand psytrance music. Do you think the alien unfamiliarity is the reason? What were your first impressions? Some people like it right away. Hmmm.... thoughtfu!!!! I apologize if this conversation has already been had... |
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Bodhi 13:20
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Posted : May 6, 2011 08:39
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Shiranui
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Posted : May 6, 2011 16:56
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On 2011-05-06 08:39, Bodhi 13:20 wrote:
If its dark, its dark like outer space, with its many unseen light waves/electromagnetic radiations propagating throughout NOT dark like horror movies or fear or the likes, but the unknown perhaps. |
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This is exactly what I mean when I say "dark trance". You put it better than anyone else. |
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : May 6, 2011 19:52
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On 2011-05-06 07:57:39, lady seals wrote:
Initially, black coffee is considered too strong, too pungent, too dark. I used to feel the same when introduced to psychedelic trance music. I thought it was so dark. I did not like it.
Right now, I have no understanding at all why I did not like it. Right now, I hear Mozart. Right now, I am welcomed into A Trance. Right now, I flow with the vibration that fluctuates unpredictably yet perfectly.
Why did I not enjoy psychedelic trance when my virgin ears were introduced? Was not my mind enhanced with enough hallucinogenic blessings? No!
I am beginning to understand now what it was. I understand the sounds of psy are the sounds of nature. We are not accustomed to hearing nature in its most essential presentation. We are not accustomed to LISTENING to its pureness. We can barely comprehend the music that naturally enfolds before us in Life. This is what people call "the Trance Monster:" when they can hear the music continuously after such shows or gatherings or concerts or presentations. Following my first trance party, I heard trance EVERYWHERE... in the trucks that drove by, the birds that tweeted, in the breathe that gargled out of my friends' lips.
Thus, trance appears dark at first because we are unfamiliar. What is unfamiliar is fearful. What is fearful is strange, dark, void, unknown. When we are not accustomed to listening to the What Is surrounding us and making us and becoming us, we are fearful.
There is nothing more. The only reason psy appears dark is that it is unfamiliar. That is all. There is nothing to fear. Just practice. Listening!
I listen to many genres of music. It took me the longest to understand psytrance music. Do you think the alien unfamiliarity is the reason? What were your first impressions? Some people like it right away. Hmmm.... thoughtfu!!!! I apologize if this conversation has already been had...
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awesome post!
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Chemistry
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Posted : May 7, 2011 04:02
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On 2011-05-06 08:39, Bodhi 13:20 wrote:
Well said!
If its dark, its dark like outer space, with its many unseen light waves/electromagnetic radiations propagating throughout NOT dark like horror movies or fear or the likes, but the unknown perhaps.
Well said!
I think people get this twisted (thats why I said I don't like using the word "dark") it seems to trend toward spooky fear horror movie thing often. When I try to introduce trance to people I get asked often are there artist that put Satan/death bloody murder screams in their music? It's as if they want it that way because it makes sense for some reason. Without the "this is a love/hate" song people have trouble making or finding there own perception and way.
Along time ago I didn't care for "dark" psy so much because I looked for the same structure in it as other things I was searching/listening to, then a few years ago it hit me that "dark" psy is the most ritualistic tribal music made with the most modern technology. It is the only form of music that I have found to date that is able to translate and relate a true tribal state. Its the one (edm) that's about the journey not the dancing fun fun. It's the emptiness of space and time (not empty at all as we know) with the soul and heart beat of the warrior/pilot/guide leading the way
the journey awaits......
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lady seals
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Posted : May 7, 2011 04:58
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it hit me that "dark" psy is the most ritualistic tribal music made with the most modern technology.
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rright 
@ Bodhi: I've been looking for a good way to explain what dark means in darkpsy to friends. You hit it right on the crown. Good collaborative thoughts here.
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soospicey
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Posted : May 7, 2011 17:03
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your post literally gave me goosebumps, i could not agree more.
once i really got into psytrance i heard it everywhere as well.
to this day when i tighten the muscles around my eardrums, i get a nice thundering psytrance bassline!!! |
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Posted : May 9, 2011 10:28
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Love this post. |
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Posted : May 10, 2011 01:13
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Totally agree with lady seals and Bodhi's take on affiliating 'dark' with unknown, unfamiliar, and outer space. Cool thoughts.
I was also thinking about what's so singularly weird but compelling about psy the other day.
It seems like most electronic music progresses laterally by expanding along side the original genre into parallel sub-genres that eventually get enveloped by the original genre making it 'wider', relating to more things, and therefor more familiar.
Psy seems to progress linearly by expanding deeper and deeper past whatever the original or current genre is. The original/current genre evolves into and is replaced by the new sub-genre and on it moves.
So at any given time, the current state of psy has nothing to relate to except itself, way out there in space.
For me, that's what's awesome about it. There's never really anything else like it and something always brings me back right when I'm fed up of all the stagnation and conformity.
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Posted : May 10, 2011 02:20
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Shiranui
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Posted : May 10, 2011 15:37
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It's a common defect of the human mind to think that your particular in-group is unique and special and that the out-groups are homogenous and boring.
Isn't it awfully pompous and egocentric of us to believe that our particular favorite type of music is apart from all others?
Yes, psytrance has evolved but it has evolved by absorbing traits from other genres of music. It assimilated the 303 from acid house, it assimilated its trippy echoes from dub, it assimilated the buildups-breakdowns from progressive, it assimilated glitchiness from IDM and fidget house.
Trancers seem to want to think that psytrance exists in a bubble and is an entirely separate thing but the reality is it is tied together with the rest of the electronic music community even if you don't want to believe it. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 10, 2011 20:43
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I'm kind of with Shiranui on this one.
Yeah, I love psytrance - it does special wonderful things to me that no other music does.
Am I really so arrogant however to say that other music that I don't like can't affect other people just as strongly?
It's bias. *for me* Psychedelic Trance is the best music, it has a purpose, it moves me, its unendingly interesting (at least, the good stuff...) - but that is just my own bias. It may make me shudder in my boots, but I've heard many people say they've had incredibly moving experiences while dancing to dubstep. Or acoustic jam band rock. Or jazz. Or classical music. Taste is taste is taste.
I agree with the OP that psy is an acquired taste. Dancing for hours on end to psy was DEFINITELY an acquired taste for me - when I bring newbies with me to festivals the two things they usually comment on is how abbrasive/boring the music is, and how everyone dances for fucking ages 
I disagree with the OP that the only reason psy appears dark is that it is unfamiliar. I am very familiar with the socalled 'dark/twilight/thatstuff' sound of many different producers..and I (usually) don't like it for various reasons...but it being 'way too out there/way too fearful/way too unknown' is not the reason.
No matter how much I listen to some types of psytrance (or any type of music) - it is still horrible. Familiarity and comfort isn't the end-all-be-all.
Getting into producing psy definitely changed my mind about this forever. Before I knew more about the music and how it was constructed it was this mythical magical super-music straight from the 19th dimension that blew me apart. It can still do that and I can appreciate well constructed psy much more than I could before...but its not so otherwordly anymore as to necessitate outlandish descriptions.
So yeah, by all means have psytrance affect your life and move you and inspire you - but be wary of ego and aggrandizing the scene because then you start down the slippery slope of idealizing everything - and then you go to a party that doesn't meet those ideals and then you get jaded and bitter
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saintcarl
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Posted : May 10, 2011 23:04
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Why psy may be considered "dark" at first
It did not for me but then I first listened to psy in like 1997 when it was still mainly goa trance.
I do not like most of what would be considered dark trance that I have heard over the years and pretty much guarantee I never will. Just not my cup to tea. |
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jds
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Posted : May 11, 2011 02:22
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On 2011-05-10 15:37, Shiranui wrote:
It's a common defect of the human mind to think that your particular in-group is unique and special and that the out-groups are homogenous and boring.
Isn't it awfully pompous and egocentric of us to believe that our particular favorite type of music is apart from all others?
Yes, psytrance has evolved but it has evolved by absorbing traits from other genres of music. It assimilated the 303 from acid house, it assimilated its trippy echoes from dub, it assimilated the buildups-breakdowns from progressive, it assimilated glitchiness from IDM and fidget house.
Trancers seem to want to think that psytrance exists in a bubble and is an entirely separate thing but the reality is it is tied together with the rest of the electronic music community even if you don't want to believe it.
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If this was directed at my post, the irony is humorous. I started raving in 1989. I've shaken my ass to way more house, techno, electro, and jungle than you can imagine. I drifted to goa eventually because the outdoor, psychedelic, multi-generational vibe tops all other gatherings for me. Musically, I've still always preferred and followed all other forms of electronica more than psy though. I'm the guy that's always bashing the 'stuck in a rut', 'one dimensionality' of much of the psy scene (hence the irony of your remarks if they were directed at me, haha).
I only posted to try to express, beyond all my usual criticisms, what I think it is about psy that somehow keeps me coming back regardless year after year. I do think it's unique. Something about it brings me around again and again and lady seals original post inspired me to try to put it into words.
I apologize for appearing 'pompous' and 'egocentric' and living in a 'psytrance bubble'? LOL!
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