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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 12:56
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Hi all this weekend i noticed something and i wanted to see if i am thinking right. In Malta we have a very small psychedelic scene and i have always thought why? why is it so small and then the music played in parties is so old and so many people go? This weekend we had a Techno Classics party which means that the best techno dj in Malta played tunes of 6 to 10 years ago techno were we used to be a great crowd during these parties. There were 500 people at this party which for malta is quite a big crowd, and i was saying why do they only come to this kind of party and do not come for some trance! i think maybe the answer is that they did not choose to advance and evolve in music and they just keep on denying that trance today is far more advanced style than techno is so they feel treated by something new and instead of joining us they are obstinate! What do you think we can do to change this?
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Lux
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 14:59
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On 2004-11-09 12:56, ganjagil wrote:
...i think maybe the answer is that they did not choose to advance and evolve in music and they just keep on denying that trance today is far more advanced style than techno is so they feel treated by something new and instead of joining us they are obstinate! What do you think we can do to change this?
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No offence mate, but what you say I think is quite elitist. I don't think that it's a matter of trance being more evolved and advanced than techno or any other genre of electronic music nowadays or not. It's just a matter of personal taste.
For example, I have friends that used to listen to psytrance and now they only listen to techno. That was a musical evolution for them. As for me, I don't really like the full-on trance that comes out these days, but if there was a party playing oldskool trance of 5-10 years ago, I would definitely go. A couple of years ago I wouldn't dare listen to anything else than trance or chillout. Now, I listen to techno, progressive, and other styles of electronica. Again this has to do with my personal musical evolution and taste.
So, it's not a matter of trance evolution per se really, it's just what each person likes to listen to.
Simple as that...
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exotic
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 15:16
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spike 'em all !! 
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 15:39
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Well i agree with you lux in a way but one thing i know is that for example my friend the techno dj when he listens to some top quality trance i can see from his eyes that he likes it but he just does not admit it...i mean in no offense at all but he does not admit it because he is "Techno" if you know what i mean...I am not telling him to leave techno and become trance but all i really would like is that we can enjoy every music together...I went to there party and enjoyed it why shouldn't they come also? |
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Evil Doctor Inc
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 16:45
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Listen If you really want 500 people at parties in Malta
You have to promote good music
therefore if its good psychedelic music
and some real clean brain smashing acid
Then Check with Aldo AkA Kemic al
he is the best
the ladies love him
and his Music
is a force to be rekoned with
May the force be with you all
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 18:02
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Well said Doc !!! 
HA HA HA ganjagil man you are realy SOMETHING ELSE !!! you crack me up 
Who said we want every tom dick and harry to come to our parties unless they are ready to be educated in such life style !!!
First of you should all change your f****** superiority complex attitude 'trance today is far more advanced style than techno is so ....leave it OUT MAN !!!
PERHAPS THEY LIKE THEIR MUSIC HARD AND FUCKED UP AT LEAST THATS WHAT THEY PLAYED GOOD FUCKED UP MUSIC ... WHICH I REALY ENJOYED !!!...
ZOIDS IS A KILLER FOR MAKING SUCH PARTY !!!
Secondly why are you so surprised man that the techno people don't turn up ? , why don't you tell this people that when we organise good parties with GOOD PSYCHEDELIC trance you guys don't turn up !!!
and why don't you also tell them that your guys found a puppet like you to send me emails telling me that my music is not good to play in the parties and I should play them only at home !!!! LOL LOL LOL
boy oh boy !!!
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 18:12
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oh my god, whatīs going on.
so you guys complain that the techno lovers donīt come to our mystical parties???
how lucky you are!!!
here itīs the opposite - the nonpsy people flood the trance parties and therfore the music gets less and less psychedelic and more and more "normal", cool, easy, groovy or down-to-earth.
no more mysticism, no more magic, no more frenzy, no more enchantment.
of course itīs nice to see new people getting into psy culture and music, but the newbies have to be initiated and to learn psychedelic lifestyle which is quite different from other cultures.
for me, everybody is welcome, but please be psychedelic.
otherwise, there are a lot of other scenes and musical genres for those who are not.
but, it also sometimes appears to be the people who are not accepted or do not get along in other scenes who come into open-minded, tolerant and friendly psychedelia.
i donīt want our scene to be the social services department for losers, drug addicts, etc.
do you want?
of course it would be very nice if the experience we make when having a blast of a party would help those people, but they canīt be the majority if we donīt want it to die.
and this has nothing to do with elitism.
i do not say that the one ist better than the other. itīs just obvious that there are differences. because, if we abolish all originalities of every culture and make a big pot mixed with everything, i think a lot gets lost and becomes another arbitrary capitalist product. |
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psionic nomad
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 18:48
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go where you please...DONT MISS THE GROOVE!!! |
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 18:51
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I agree with you ! deejayridoo
we use to make good parties with good PSYCHEDELIC trance people use turn up and from the little scene we are, and ALL use to turn up and a good 200/300 people at times too, including peolpe that never heard such music before ! and we never told them that our music is the best, THEY DID ! and so yes we explained such life style and kept on coming to the parties !
but yes like you said deejayridoo "the nonpsy people flood the trance parties and therfore the music gets less and less psychedelic and more and more "normal", cool, easy, groovy or down-to-earth."
since some people turned up in the scene !!! also making jokes at people of what they ware and such , reclined by their superiority complex, unity & love ! don't know the meaning of those words !!!
off coarse peolpe are not stupid slowly slowly they don't turn up anymore , I mean come on who wants to share that vibe !
and then they call them psychedelic trance parties !!
infact they are just trance parties !
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 22:43
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That is true...
Portugal partys are now overflowed with all kinds of people. We have huge crowds and big events, but the spirit is lost (forever im afraid).
Must say I miss the ones with 100 freaks dancing together in a circle. |
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 09:52
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On 2004-11-09 16:45, Evil Doctor Inc wrote:
Listen If you really want 500 people at parties in Malta
You have to promote good music
therefore if its good psychedelic music
and some real clean brain smashing acid
Then Check with Aldo AkA Kemic al
he is the best
the ladies love him
and his Music
is a force to be rekoned with
May the force be with you all
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First of you should all change your f****** superiority complex attitude 'trance today is far more advanced style than techno is so ....leave it OUT MAN !!!
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P_Mac
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 10:12
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On 2004-11-09 18:12, deejayridoo wrote:
oh my god, whatīs going on.
so you guys complain that the techno lovers donīt come to our mystical parties???
how lucky you are!!!
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I agree . . . nothing worse than a psy party full of TOURISTS . . . Or a grrove party full of tourists
We should all try accept all styles and let the ppl choose.
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 11:29
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Yes i also agree that a party full of non psy people is not the same but i also was not psy people before and now i live and love it! So there has to be a starting point and psy is something so nice so good that it's difficult not to tell people about it. Also we have plan that if we get more people we can make some money out of this party and then with this money we can get a live act to Malta. Till this day we have made money in our parties to just cover it's expenses which is nothing bad with that i like it like that but i would also love having a great live act at least once in a year!
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HandA
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 14:08
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What I lack here is people that actually know what this scene is all about.
Our scene is not for elitist thinking people that think their music is superior!
Our scene is all about welcoming everybody no matter of their skin color, religious background, social status and sexual orientation!
All I see here is 2 parts:
One that complain that not many people come to the parties because they haven't evolved to the more "advanced" trance. B*** mate. Maybe better promotion would do the trick? 
And one that complain that there's to many "ordinary" people in the parties and that it's bad for the "vibe" . Come on now! This opinion is just as elitist and intollerant!
Again do I need to remind you that our scene was build on the vision to welcome everybody and to accept people no matter who they are?
Of course violence is not tollerated but that's not what we are talking about here!
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 14:14
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On 2004-11-10 11:29, ganjagil wrote:
Yes i also agree that a party full of non psy people is not the same but i also was not psy people before and now i live and love it! So there has to be a starting point and psy is something so nice so good that it's difficult not to tell people about it.
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itīs all a matter of proportion.
now, the party organizers bear a great financial risk of not breaking even and therefore they promote their events as much as they can (put flyers in trendy clothing shops, wom/ fnac popular music store corporations etc.) and doing so attract so many people that we have this "out-of-proportion" situation.
and one can not really blame them for doing this, because often they are not the ones making big cash out of it.
as you said, you want to get a live act you love (due to the promotion of their music through releases) to malta.
itīs be good if we had enough freaks around to be able to pay such an event.
as soon as there are not enough freaks, the organisers compromise and widen the range of target groups - and this is the fatal error, imo.
now itīs not only a few "tourist"- friends of the freaks who have to be introduced, now itīs the majority.
so, i think the best is to be realistic and try to collect as much data as possible to have an orientation (like in the economy) of how many freaks will approximately attain the event and (another big problem) actually pay for the entry and consume at the party
-there the legalisation of cannabis products would make things much easier, because a party organiser would finally have a big source of income selling hasch and grass at the bar
and then, with those figure you can calculate the risk and see what (pa/ decoration/ foreign artists/ extras etc.) you can afford.
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Also we have plan that if we get more people we can make some money out of this party and then with this money we can get a live act to Malta. Till this day we have made money in our parties to just cover it's expenses which is nothing bad with that i like it like that but i would also love having a great live act at least once in a year!
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this is indeed a friendly attitude but i would not do it, because doing so, imo, will definitely bring those problems.
maybe itīs be better to try, as this is an underground scene, to get the live act youīre looking for for low budget (only the flight and a pocket money - but already this can be too expensive if you consider not to compromise and sell-out our magic celebrations.
for us underground artists - and, as yaniv said, in psytrance, weīre ALL underground artists - itīs enough to have something like sponsored holidays.
underground artists who claim for it to be like work/ a job are fake imo.
itīs fun.
if not, they can just say no. |
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