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Why is the guys per girl ratio is so high at trance parties?

InnerAlchemy


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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 14:28
Pavel, of course you have the right to express your opinion. But then I also have the right to express (and repeat) my feeling about that shit:
For me (as a female music lover) it sounds like a stupid prejudice....
And by the way: what is a "good" taste and what is a "bad" taste??? Its true that most woman prefer melodic and groovy sound to dark full-on. But is this "bad"????
Pavel
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 14:31
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On 2005-08-16 14:28, InnerAlchemy wrote:
Pavel, of course you have the right to express your opinion. But then I also have the right to express (and repeat) my feeling about that shit:
For me (as a female music lover) it sounds like a stupid prejudice....




This is not a prejudice. Re-read my words. I wrote that most of the women "I" met had a bad taste in music. I didn't apply that to all the female population of the earth you know.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
InnerAlchemy


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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 14:48
well, if you were one, you would maybe understand how it feels to hear the same predefined opinions about your gender again and again. It becomes boring over the years ;-)
Pavel
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 14:50
There are plenty of predefined opinions about males as well. But that's
And good taste in music is not everything in life. Well, for most of us that is.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
The Green Channel
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 15:23
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On 2005-08-16 14:48, InnerAlchemy wrote:
well, if you were one, you would maybe understand how it feels to hear the same predefined opinions about your gender again and again. It becomes boring over the years ;-)


I feel you... It must be awful.           "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
----Dawn----
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 18:47
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On 2005-08-16 13:36, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
you see more girls at dawn on the dancefloor




What can i say, i'm a popular guy!

'Well hello, ladies! Like the dress?'           Am i the only one who believes in solipsism?
offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 18:51
Sometimes I feel that many comments just describe women as objects of desire and not as persons. It is like we can't shake that gender bias out of our heads and sex really drives our mind and perceptions.

I personally do not go to parties looking for girls. I already made my choice and I love my wife. I just like the sense of community, open mindeness, respect and aceptance. I mean these are events where genders just dissipate and become transparent, and all that predefined conditioning about stereotypical roles get shatter. I personally know women who have an incredible taste in music, and others who can care less. Women who are leaders and other who just like to remain in the background. Men are the same... Humans are the same. All those differences are all in our thick heads. Until we do not erase those preconceived conditioned ideas from our heads "on what women are and do," then women will feel insulted when classified in a little box and will think our "open minded" parties perpetuate more of the same retrograde falacies and ignorant attitudes plaguing this world. The result, testasterone sausage fest of macho men doofing about thinking literally "where is the pussy"
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 19:01
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On 2005-08-16 18:47, ----Dawn---- wrote:
What can i say, i'm a popular guy!

'Well hello, ladies! Like the dress?'




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On 2005-08-16 18:51, offthenutboom wrote:
Sometimes I feel that many comments just describe women as objects of desire and not as persons. It is like we can't shake that gender bias out of our heads and sex really drives our mind and perceptions.



*applause*
And I just had a thought on reading this that perhaps the men who complain at the apparentl lack of ladies at parties are in fact filtering out the majority of them because they're only looking for a certain kind of woman, i.e. one they fancy enough to have sex with. You never know....!! It could be true.

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I personally do not go to parties looking for girls. I already made my choice and I love my wife. I just like the sense of community, open mindeness, respect and aceptance. I mean these are events where genders just dissipate and become transparent, and all that predefined conditioning about stereotypical roles get shatter. I personally know women who have an incredible taste in music, and others who can care less. Women who are leaders and other who just like to remain in the background. Men are the same... Humans are the same. All those differences are all in our thick heads.



So true.

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Until we do not erase those preconceived conditioned ideas from our heads "on what women are and do," then women will feel insulted when classified in a little box and will think our "open minded" parties perpetuate more of the same retrograde falacies and ignorant attitudes plaguing this world. The result, testasterone sausage fest of macho men doofing about thinking literally "where is the pussy"


Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 19:32
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*applause*
And I just had a thought on reading this that perhaps the men who complain at the apparentl lack of ladies at parties are in fact filtering out the majority of them because they're only looking for a certain kind of woman, i.e. one they fancy enough to have sex with. You never know....!! It could be true.



You wrong in my case, in Israel most of the parties are male ones. That's why all Israeli guys understand me well and you heretics can't.
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 19:56
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On 2005-08-16 19:32, Willy Wonka wrote:
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*applause*
And I just had a thought on reading this that perhaps the men who complain at the apparentl lack of ladies at parties are in fact filtering out the majority of them because they're only looking for a certain kind of woman, i.e. one they fancy enough to have sex with. You never know....!! It could be true.



You wrong in my case, in Israel most of the parties are male ones. That's why all Israeli guys understand me well and you heretics can't.


I said "perhaps...it could be true" Willy.

And in your case I can think of several reasons why girls aren't flocking to your side and I bet none of them have anything to do with the parties that you attend being on Israeli soil and plenty to do with your seemingly questionable attitude to women as demonstrated on a couple of threads recently.

Sorry.

offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 20:19
Read your own comments a go back and put them in context

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IMHO
Girls think! Guys don't! So girls never visit such parties unless they are fucked up LSD trippers because there is nothing attractive except of chemicals.



Assuption number 1. In Israel an average trance woman only arrives @ a party after impairing themselves with LSD to digest an unliked experience.

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But we can't beat you in soap operas taste!



Joke #1 Perpetuating the stereotype

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Simply girls want to attract man in clubs when on parties girls really of kind i don't want to date with. They are funny but really bad person to live with from my own experience.



Asumption #2 A unique experience is trancribed as a general rule

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June, i never said all girls so as Pavel. So please do not shut up me because it is my own opinion if you disagree with it keep it with respect at least. If i say something it is from my own experience in my own country, i see only cheap and dirty chemical "addicts" girls on the parties, so as girls Dj. Common have you ever seen Gula.K? Jeez look at her and see what she does that's Israeli psy girl true image, of course not every psy girl is the same but avarage is like Gula.K asking for trip face!



Do you know Gula.K personally. Are you judging this person? Are you judging then the median of Israeli trance girls and putting them in a tight box. Guys in Israel don't trip, don't party, they do not ask for trip face? Also how can you make all this assumptions? Is there any rule that women should not trip in a PSYCHEDELIC trance party. Don't you see it is your preconceived idea which makes all this assumption on ppl you do not even know.

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Not psytrance but music scene at all, girls been used for their look as singers only but with time girls start to do what they didn't in the past. For music it is good, thou not sure about active army and certain sports.



Who says this? Women should repress themselves when the have the desire to do something... And this is not just talking about some women of course, but all of them.

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Girls that suing aicd don't come to these forums they don't like the community as you do, them just do acid and this is the purpose of their coming to party. Noone said all girls, i was talking about avarage as others did.



All this talk about average is a disguise for stereotyping. You think that because you do not say all you can wash your hands, but in truth you stereotype from a very subjective perception. You talk about your unique experience with the unique ppl you cross over your path. And you judge this ppl pretty quickly, as if the mean of the Israeli trance scene was deduced through a strickly rigourous scientific study and the numbers were found through different objective and empirical methodology.

And then there are no women @ the parties.

BOM!
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 20:29
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On 2005-08-16 20:19, offthenutboom wrote:
Read your own comments a go back and put them in context


Oh for goodness sake it was a joke!! And frankly one directed only at the boys having a whinge or demonstrating a degree of mysogyny. Ehh....relax why don't ya!
offthenutboom
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 20:38
Maybe is all those women studies classes, tough by progressive feminists, for my communications degree Yes I am a tad sensitive to the subject... but yes I will chill and relax
Pavel
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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 20:42
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On 2005-08-16 20:38, offthenutboom wrote:
Maybe is all those women studies classes, tough by progressive feminists, for my communications degree Yes I am a tad sensitive to the subject... but yes I will chill and relax



I don't like progressive feminists, i prefer full-on feminists.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Aug 16, 2005 20:48
Good for you offthenutboom - it's great that you are so passionate about it. In fact overall I like your ideas and your reasoning - I was actually agreeing with you while at the same time taking the piss out of the others a little, but maybe this wasn't so clear. If so, then my apologies.


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On 2005-08-16 20:42, Pavel wrote:
I don't like progressive feminists, i prefer full-on feminists.





As you were ladies and gentleman.
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