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why i dont see any posts yet for NYE party in athens or christmas or smthing?
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donald
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Posted : Nov 26, 2006 23:30
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On 2006-11-26 12:33, DETOX wrote:
Ehm what exactly underground is going on in Athens?
underground you can find the real feeling of everything...
and yes the party at the third floor of the <last> and most rediculus bar in the centre of nowhere is underground and its nice.
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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 27, 2006 00:37
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I thought that underground is what used to happen in England where on Saturday night hundreds of SMS would be sent on selected mobile phones informing the people that a party would take place in an abandonded building or warehouse in the suburbs of London where everything was set up in just one hour before the event and hundreds or even thousands of people would pop up and have fun until the early morning hours or until the cops would bust the place.
I thought that underground was 50-100 friends gathering money to bring a dj from abroad and bring him to play for them in a mountain or in a settler or something far away from Athens just for their fun with no advertisment or entrance fees or anything like that.
I didnt knew that entrance fee events in shitty holes and tiny bars with a shitty soundsystem and music were underground,i didnt knew that free parties in Universities with the organisers and the promoters also being the djs are underground,especially when these events are advertised all over the city and the internet and gather many people most of them not only out of the trance scene but also of a bad reputation and behavior,not to mention about the constant fights and the thieves that attend such events.
Guys the word crap is not a synonym for underground you know,i think you are a little bit confused here.
Low attendance events are not always underground rather a commercial failure i would say,small parties in bad places are not underground rather a luck of connections and means to book a proper party place i would say,a bad soundsystem installed in a free place area with some amateur djs spinning mp3's is not always underground rather a desperate effort by some people to become famous and satisfy their vanity i would say.
I seriously doubt that there is an underground psy trance scene in Athens at the moment and in the last 2-3 years,all that is left is a small psy trance movement supported by various kinds of people.
You remind me the people who still are into greek uplifting trance,they claim to be part of an underground culture,an underground culture with no parties,no artists,no releases,no labels,no publicity,no nothing,well thats not underground,thats dead.
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donald
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Posted : Nov 27, 2006 02:15
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big mistake man.
underground is every movement that the target its not the money but the real emotions.
by the way yes idont want publicity because i dont care about publicity΄who care???¨
...in athens it was a verry strong ska/oii underground scene with bad sound system bud places for party bad rummors about the party...
nowdays this scene is steel underground...but strong and that happend for one reason.
they dont have the money for target but the fun.
and i msorry about this but you make money from the psy scene here.
last...what do YOU mean by uderground..publicity,high sound system famous djs,and 30 for the entrance? |
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Posted : Nov 27, 2006 02:24
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Underground parties is a general word, which is more common of parties that have invitations to a secret location,parties happen like that but with a fee which can be like 20 pounds, and the same Artists that played in a club the night before,can play again private in an after party with invitation only,which is underground mostly,
i think a club with 100 people in athens with a small or nice guest is more to the word private party or small gathering,mabe not underground, but for me small- big- medium,has no meaning of words cose if the vibe is good and the people happy,and all have fun,so it makes no diference for me,its a good party,
and there is no comercial any more most of the people i think are fed up watching the same and same so this why the sceene has fallen,they are just desperate to go out ,so mabe they will go to any party ,but they need changes ,cose some like Dark some full on ,some Proggresive, so the main reason is to bring many diffrent styles now so all the people can be filled to all types of music.there are nice big comercial parties in Athens happening ,mabe not all the time but these are good with 1100 people like Astrix ,we need these to happen ,but we need also Dna , Absolum ,Sirius isness, Ticon ,Menog ,Penta ,Parasence , Vibe Tribe , and many more styles like this.
So mabe all is welcome small and big,cose else no sceene, mabe greece has a future ,there are like 7-8 orginizers involved, 3-4 tessaloniki 3-4 in athens mabe some smaller some bigger 1s ,but i dont like to catigory them ,all that help this sceene and respect it deserve the same,cose it mostly the music and all the people know this and love it and respect it,even though they dont show it.... |
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donald
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Posted : Nov 27, 2006 02:43
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...one more thing detox
i agree with you in one think
..for your events we are dead..
p.s.nothink personal with you.
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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 27, 2006 05:17
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Donald either you dont read my posts at all or you dont understand what i am writing,there is no other explanation for your words.
You said that i am wrong since underground parties is a movement aiming not money but emotions.Excuse me but where exactly did i disagreed with you?Where exactly did i said the opposite?
You said that you dont want publicity and that you also dont care about it.Where exactly did i also disagreed with you on this one too?
Didnt in my previous post said that underground parties should be done just for pure fan and without entrance fees and promotion?
My words are still there you know,you can still read them this time more carefully i hope.
Also you asked me what do i consider underground and then you mention high publicity,expensive soundsystem and artists and a costly entrance fee.Didnt i already gave two examples of what i consider underground in my previous post?You didnt noticed the UK example with the abandonded building parties (they call them Squat Parties for those who know) or the shelter parties for selected friends that i also mentioned?Did you see any expensive soundsystem,high class club,massive promotion,big entrance fee or anything like that there?
Please for once again read my words more carefully before reaching any conclusions because i really hate repeating myself,if you cant understand any of my words then just ask me and i will be glad to explain things better to you but please dont put words in my mouth that i didnt say.
Oh and last but not least you claimed that i make money from the psy trance scene.First of all i dont think that its bad for someone who has invested a lot of his time,money and efforts on the local psy trance scene to get something back for it whether this is money or fame or some new good friends or some new connections or whatever,what you get is what you give this is what i really believe in life.Also trust me its not so easy to always make money out of the psy trance,especially not by establishing a label (the fastest way to become a millionaire is to be a billionaire and start operating a psy trance label as they say) or by organising big parties with big expenses which also apart from a big probable profitability mean also a high risk.I mean if its so easy to make money out of the psy trance scene why not many people give a shot on organising big events?Things are not so easy and simple as you might think my friend 
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On 2006-11-26 16:52, electrojoseph82 wrote:
What a shame that even if a big event comes up as you said above , the attendance will not be more then 1000 people . And what kind of people.................
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Sorry friend but...the underground scene (many different collectives, groups, producers and companies of friends) in Athens from last April until last week organized EVERY SATURDAY one party in Polutexnioupoli (Polytechnic School University campus)...Even if we like it...or not...this is a movement that has to appear from the early days of psy-trance in Variboby mountains...Parties with no entrance, no super starts and no security organized by friends that they want to offer good vibrations to the city and to express their culture and their ideas...
Keno Diktuo(Void Network) before one year gathered 7000 people in Polutenioupoli with Electric Universe, 6000 people for Electro Free Festival No7 (with 3 different stages)in last May, 5000 people in June for Ambientrancedelica and 5000 people this last September with Man With No Man....
For the New Years Eve???????????????????
Just wait 2-3 days...
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virava
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Posted : Nov 30, 2006 09:19
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On 2006-11-27 00:37, DETOX wrote:
i didnt knew that free parties in Universities with the organisers and the promoters also being the djs are underground
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We always have the opportunity to learn new things 
But i wonder how do you know this info for such events since you never participate...
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Posted : Nov 30, 2006 09:48
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For the New Years Eve???????????????????
Just wait 2-3 days..
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we trust u..
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 01:15
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Virava please come up with some serious debate mate.
How do i know that the organisers in the universities parties are usually also the dj's?
Thats not something secret the whole country knows that simply because its announced in public in forums such as this one.
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donald
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 01:25
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so where is the bad if the organizers
its also the artist?
come on detox...
i think we make athens looks like the whorst place
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 02:34
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Donald the artists are artists and the organisers are organisers,these two things cannot be mixed up together for many reasons which i dont want to describe in public.
I will just give you one short reason and you think for yourself if i am right or wrong.
How could i possibly know whats going on in my party and take care of things if i am on the decks playing music for 2-3 hours?The party and its issues and problems dont stop you know when i am in the decks playing music and please dont tell me about good partners because when you really want something to be done correctly you got to do it yourself.
Organisers must be around the club taking care about everything and artists should be on the decks playing music for the people to have fun,only Jesus could be in two different places at the same time and i doubt that he is part of this forum or interested in psy trance
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donald
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 04:11
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On 2006-12-01 02:34, DETOX wrote:
Organisers must be around the club taking care about everything and artists should be on the decks playing music for the people to have fun,only Jesus could be in two different places at the same time and i doubt that he is part of this forum or interested in psy trance
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we are not proffesional
(im not even organizer)
just try to have fun.
for you how is it possible to have a nice party without somebody watching our steps,pay 30, good music?
you have something in that direction to offert?
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virava
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 08:00
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On 2006-12-01 01:15, DETOX wrote:
Virava please come up with some serious debate mate.
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i didn t have the debate in my mind when i wrote my opinion.
it s your way to see things and writings.
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On 2006-12-01 02:34, DETOX wrote:
How could i possibly know whats going on in my party and take care of things if i am on the decks playing music for 2-3 hours?The party and its issues and problems dont stop you know when i am in the decks playing music and please dont tell me about good partners because when you really want something to be done correctly you got to do it yourself.
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when i am @ the decks playing music i know that i have enough (at least five) people who are the rest of ORGANIZERS, who are taking care of the party, if anything is needed and also inform me if needed.
except of them i have many friends arround.
you say that such party isn t underground because the promoters of it, will also be djs...
i think your perception of things does not represent the reality and thats why i meant in my previous post that you cannot talk with theories and criticize events if your are not present.
i m sure you don t have ANY real point to accuse university events as for their organizing.
your criticize in order to criticize! which is the reason really?
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On 2006-12-01 02:34, DETOX wrote:
and please dont tell me about good partners because when you really want something to be done correctly you got to do it yourself.
Organisers must be around the club taking care about everything and artists should be on the decks playing music for the people to have fun,
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obviously u dont talk about the same thing.detox is talking about organiserrr (1
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so,yes 1 organiser cant also b the dj in a club,but some of the organisers b also the djs in universitys event i dont see anything bad about it!and it would b better if we stay on efforts and not in details!
keep on trying!!!!!!!!
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