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Who controls the scene?

Goblim
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 17:21
I've wondered about this for a while, and I can't really find an answer. The psytrance scene today is very much dominated by the same kind of full on, and I wonder who's 'fault' is this?

• Artists? They decide what music they create i.e. what music is around.
• Labels? They decide what music should be relased and what should be not, so they they decide what music is in the scene.
• Buyers? They choose what music to buy, the more they buy of something the more of that kind of music could be made.
• Party organisers / DJs? They decide what music should be played at parties, where many people get to know the music.

Or is it someone else?
Please give me your thoughts.          Ut ameris, amabilis esto.
Surrender
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 17:36
I CONTROL THE SCENE MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!


I have created the Matrix, along with several popular video games such as Q-Bert and Dig-Dug.
I did not invent Frogger, but i did come up with the name... can you beleive they wanted to call it: "Highway crossing frog"? that's so lame...          "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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NeutroN
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 17:44
I would say artist, lets say someone creates a new style ie fullon, he/she manages to play at a party and show the crowd his and a new style, the crowd love it, he builds up a 'reputation', he/she tries to release some tracks, labels are happy to release it because their is probably a demand since people like his style and probably want to listen to it at home, the bigger reputation he/she builds more organizers will want him because they will be looking for something 'new' that the crowd likes and that on the end of the day will make money. Other artist fell as if they are losing and start making similar sounds (a formula is then made) and then the process starts all over again.           "Great things are only possible with outrageous requests." Thea Alexander
Surrender
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 18:41
i would say... this is a difficult question since its kinda like the chicken and the egg kinda deal. i think one answer may not be enough to satisfy your inquiry, and possibly a combination of answers you provided with some other aspects of world economics, trends in global fashion and many other things may/are affecting everything as well.           "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 18:48
I thought about it lots of times... and the same answer apprears:

Labels, and the ppl who pay for music.

Labels want to sell more, so they will release something that sells more to ppl that usually buy that stuff.           Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 19:15
DJs. Notice what happened when Raja stopped running TIP and Dimitri started selecting the tracks. The entire scene is dominated by dancefloor ideals. If you'd look back to '95 it was about musical qualities much more than dancefloor ones, this changed (TIP -> TIP World is only one example)          http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Nathan
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 22:29
The Drive of expression by music.
          -=The Meaning Of Life Is To Give Life A Meaning=
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 22:47
Me and you and all those who dance to these tons with lots of smiles on their face and give the artist lots of proud.           Get rid the pessimistic "friends" and you will find everything is much beautiful.
Everything/one is special, some of us just don't know how to appreciate it.
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Mike A
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 22:57
Quote:

On 2003-12-29 17:36, Surrender wrote:
I CONTROL THE SCENE MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!


I have created the Matrix, along with several popular video games such as Q-Bert and Dig-Dug.
I did not invent Frogger, but i did come up with the name... can you beleive they wanted to call it: "Highway crossing frog"? that's so lame...


LOL@#$%#$%
Dovla
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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 01:21
the mafia controls the party scenes in some countries           DJ Dovla | Interchill Records, Flow Records
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Reconstructed


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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 03:09
Artists determine what direction the scene takes but I think that the scene is ultimately controlled by people like us who go and dance at parties. We are giving feedback to the artists by going crazy when something great is played or not so much when a track isn't that good.

An artist can head in any musical direction they want but when they play their music if nobody likes it they won't get far!
full_on
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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 03:44
IMO there´s lots of good artists and good music (old or new) in all psychedelic trance styles. What happens is that the crowd and the party organizers choose what style will be played in their parties. Maybe drugs can modify the crowd taste for music (just speculation).
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T.D.R
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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 05:25
In my opinion, artists.
Without them, nobody have achieved to hear this music. The earliest step starts with the artists , before the buyers & labels , who had nothing to listen/sell if artists wouldn't create music. There won't be music at all
cubensis


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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 05:58
It is definitely a combination of drugs, record labels, listeners, and artists.

Drugs - I belive the switch from psychedelics to E and other drugs has partially driven the change in sound over the years.

Artists - Danish underground psy-trancers provide a good example (and some others, like Azax, Fungus Funk, Kindzadza). Just a few of them making crazy sounds have had a lot of influence on other underground producers, even despite the fact that hardly any of their material is released! But thier stuff is very popular on P2P networks, and many new producers try and imitate their sound.

Record labels - Some record labels are attempting to release this "underground" stuff, but they seem to be slow and disorganized. Eventually they will have an effect, when they help to widely distribute these sounds. But as of now they are minimally influential. However, I think record labels/economics can have a big influence. For example, I think the big rush towards "progressive" sounds, a few years back, was driven mostly by record labels and economics. This is not a personal judgement of progessive psy, but it just seemed that a large percentage of the scene disliked progressive for quite a while, yet it persisted for some time. Which leads me to...

Listeners - I think the new rush to neo-fullon is completely driven by listeners. For years I have watched listeners clammer for more full sounds, for melodies, for more BPMs -- and now they got it. Clearly the success of GMS and Clones is completely driven by listeners/party-goers.



Then you must keep in mind that record label owners and A&Rs also are listeners, and artists can be both listeners and label owners....quite complex.


Drugs...I don't think anyone can deny that the popularity of MDMA has not changed the music (I would say for the worse).

ND
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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 08:41
the combination of all those you mentioned.
there is no scene without one of them.           Without Deviation, Progress Is Not Possible.

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