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Where's the Suomi?
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TweekerD
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Posted : May 4, 2004 19:18
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Hey, just one question....
Why on the name of god is there no interest in Suomi (Finland) trance?
I mean, I know that the people like GMS and Astrix, and some others like Progressive and so on and so on.....But how many people (at least here, in Israel) do your hear say: "Man, that's all very nice, but you should really listen to Fintrance..."
I spent 6 months in India trying to get people to listen to Texas Faggott, Eraser Vs, Yojalka, Flying Scorpions, Haltya, Huopatossu Mononen, Kiwa, Lemon Slide, Mandalavandalz, NBR, OOK, Outolintu/Pelinpala, Salakavala, Squaremeat, Tea Chairs, Vihtahousu and so on and so on.
Most of the reaction I got was: "Dude, can you change that shit?"
What is wrong with people? Every time I met a person who actually liked Fintrance I was so happy, I tried to get that person to listen to everything I got, because I didn't know when was gonna be the next time I find someone who's gonna like this music.
I've been a huge fan of Fintrance for almost two years now, and can listen to it all day (and night) long. But when I occasionally catch an artist from Finland, or some friends with Finland connections in Israel, and ask them when is there gonna be a Suomi-party in Israel, they say there's just not enough demand.
And then, when I read in this forum and others, there's hardly a mention of Finland, except for some saints who understand what I'm talking about.
To stop me from rambling on forever, I would just say "go and get some Fintrance, get some liquid LSD, go to the forest and find out you've been missing all along!!!"
Does anyone have an answer for me? Where is the Suomi?
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 4, 2004 20:42
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Ulf:G
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Posted : May 4, 2004 21:22
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On 2004-05-04 19:18, TweekerD wrote:
Most of the reaction I got was: "Dude, can you change that shit?"
What is wrong with people?
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The are so called "open minded".. 
Double standards as usual.. I hate that. Thats a big fucking reason for why I don't like to go to parties anymore. The so called "open minded" people, that can't stand listen to anything else but mainstream shit...
I feel sorry for them. They don't know what they are missing out on.. |
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pr0fane
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Posted : May 4, 2004 22:13
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For me it doesn’t have anything to do with an open mind or not, it’s simply a matter of taste.
I’ve really tried, but the vast majority of the suomi-style is something I can’t really listen to for more than a few hours straight. And just so you know; I’ve listened to a lot of mad psychedelic trance through the last couple of years. Both the suomi-style, but especially the “Århus-gak” (you once played there Ulf, pretty good party by the way).
I do enjoy some of Kiwas stuff though, and Haltyas sideproject Highpersonic Whomen is also awesome, although that's more progressive trance.
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PKS
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Posted : May 5, 2004 11:37
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I really like some of the music from Finland. Especially Kiwa (very talented), Haltya (their latest album is really fun and experimental) and Highpersonic Whomen (strong progressive trance).
I agree with Ulf. The so called "open minded" psytrance gang, isn't that open minded after all... Well, at least when I play or organise parties, I try to create variation. But I'm probably one of the few people in here that like some music in each "trance style". I see the positive sides of full on, tribal trance, israeli, progressive, Finish mad trance, russian horror trance etc, but I also see the negative sides. Try more variation guys, it will make your life much more interesting.
Right now at work, I prefer some Pete Namlook (The Dark Side Of the Moog) on FAX
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serotonot
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Posted : May 5, 2004 16:55
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Does the open mindesness mean that you have to listen something that u dont like?
I live in Finland but the Finnish psytrance is just not my cup of tea.
Too bad if it makes someone feel I'm narrow-minded cause I like almost all the other sides of psychedelic electronic music. From house via trance to techno.
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Kelmi
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Posted : May 5, 2004 18:07
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Hehh...Anywhere you go you´ll find this discussion in some form! |
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Kelmi
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Posted : May 5, 2004 20:02
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sorry...double post! |
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luje
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Posted : May 5, 2004 22:27
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This discussion reminds me of Ye Olde Pelinpala album. It was exactly what I needed to hear, by the time.
I tried to show it to some friends, but didn't succeed.
Then, back in last december (2003), we had a little suomi fever in our friends' circle. It was a revolution. I came to meet 2 other guys that liked suomi in Brazil(another brazilian and a finnish), one of which was this huumanic producer of the former project already mentioned.
When they both left, I was back to my loneliness on that sense. Suomi wasn't good enough to play on our meetings anymore.
I did dare to play a single track on a free partie and the organiser (who even happens to be a close friend) sat me aside after a bit and said: "Don't do that again".
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nobody4
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Posted : May 6, 2004 09:55
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I spent 6 months in India trying to get people to listen to Texas Faggott, Eraser Vs, Yojalka, Flying Scorpions, Haltya, Huopatossu Mononen, Kiwa, Lemon Slide, Mandalavandalz, NBR, OOK, Outolintu/Pelinpala, Salakavala, Squaremeat, Tea Chairs, Vihtahousu and so on and so on.
Most of the reaction I got was: "Dude, can you change that shit?"
What is wrong with people?
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I guess the same question can be asked about you - what is wrong with you? As you see, this is all about perspective, and although the fintrance might sound great to you, to 99.9% of others it is complete 'shit' (your words).
Veriety in music is a blessed thing, it brings richness, interest and helps to develop new ideas and directions.
Attitude, however, is (IMO) destructive - having the attitude that this or that music is superior to another just because its less 'catchy' is plain narrow-minded and stupid.
I always had success in introducing Fintrance to friends in the past, and I always got great reactions when playing some PelinPala, Outolintu, Kiwa or James Reipas. (I dont do it anymore for personal reasons, some are exactly this 'Attitude' that Fintrance artist have and IMO dont deserve their music to be promoted): I tried to select the more 'accessible' tunes - something that is not irritating (hard to find in Fintrance, but there are some gems) and groovy, so the 'fresh' mind has a chance to adjust to the new sounds.
There is a saying in Hebrew: The cow wants to feed more than the calf wants to drink -
in your case I'd suggest to chill, dont try to shove this music down ppl's throats and release the condesending and superior attitude, you might find out that ppl are more receptive when they are not considered as lower just because they listen to more commerical music. (hint to all the rest of the fintrance clan).
regards,
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TweekerD
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Posted : May 6, 2004 11:35
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in your case I'd suggest to chill, dont try to shove this music down ppl's throats and release the condesending and superior attitude, you might find out that ppl are more receptive when they are not considered as lower just because they listen to more commerical music. (hint to all the rest of the fintrance clan). |
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Well, Dear Auspexx, it has nothing with being condesending or superior, as in your words.
If were to check out my collection, you would find that although I don't favor what people call "commercial", I do listen to a variety of styles, where I just find Finland my favorite. I could go raving on about Danish, Auzzie, SouthAfrican, Russian and even good Israeli Trance....There is good in all the worlds.
I wasn't complaining that people don't like Finnish trance, I was expressing my frustration about the fact that there is not enough demand for this style in Israel to throw Finnish-style parties. The artists I've talked to said they'll come to Israel gladly if only there was enough demand.
And BTW, I wasn't trying to shove anything down anyone's throat. I derive much more satisfaction from seeing people enjoy the music I put on than listening to my favorites (the two often don't mix, and I think it's not only me with this problem). I've always tried putting on stuff people would enjoy, smile and dance to, but mostly the Finnish is not accepted.
I completely believe that anyone should listen to whatever they want, and I understand Suomi-style is a little hard to digest at first (I recall myself saying to a friend, a couple of years back: "I can't listen to this Texas Faggott shit...."), but I'm glad I finally got around to it. I just wish more people would share my opinion, that's all.
And whoever wants to listen to all the rest (and I won't mention any names, not to offend anyone), go ahead, but give Suomi a try. I can only say from my experience, but I'm sure many people will second that - some of you might actually come around to liking it and even getting hooked on it. Maybe then we can have enough demand to bring some of the folks I mentioned in the original post to Israel.
I didn't mean no disrespect to anyone or any style. The world is big enough for everyone and every kind of music - Everyone's just gotta find their niche.
Dave
"We just got that Volcano lit...
...Gee, I thought Tarzan was set in Africa!"
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nobody4
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Posted : May 6, 2004 12:08
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Like we both said, Suomisoundi is harder to digest than the more 'accessible' styles of trance, so naturaly it will have smaller crowd.
I was actualy trying to help you in my reply, show you that introducing this type of sound is possible, if only done wisely - its the same as trying to introduce psy-trance to non-trancers; you have to think about the easier, more accessible music to help the untrained ear adjust to the new sounds.
But I understand that ppl who are into this underground sub-genere feel the need to defend themselves and their music, after all, with most SuomiSoundi it is either you hate it or completely addicted to it - so it creates a kind of fanaticizm that does the music bad relations more than it actualy deserves.
Maybe people are not ready for this type of sound? Or maybe it is simply too chaotic and unpleasent? I dont know, and dont want to give opinion, since I'm not 100% neutral here (honest...), but again, it is good that some people like this style and are ready to promote it. It would be good to see more veriety in trance parties - and this goes also toward the SuomiSoundi heads in Finland who shuts-out most attempts to introduce progressive or fullon in their pure scene.
all the best,
A
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Outolintu
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Posted : May 6, 2004 19:10
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hi tal!
i've have to say that your pilkka is hitting your own nilkka 8). you have been complaining to me and on various forums
about the finnish scene and the suomi saundi. i understand why you were upset
one year a go but this is starting to look like
a systematic propaganda war against the finnish style. don't let the guys who offended
you turn yourself into what you started to fight against in the first place: a narrow minded and hateful being. "he who fights the
dragon becomes it" said a smart guy some time a go 8)...
in listing those artists mentioned above some
one may get the idea they are those who offended you which is certainly not true!
btw. i'm on no side in this purist conversation
. sound is sound is sound. choose the sound
that makes you happy and get happy! 8)
cheers, jyrgen (frank f./highpersonic whomen and outolintu/haltya)
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nobody4
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Posted : May 7, 2004 10:44
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Hi Jyrgen! good to meet you here as well!
As I also mentioned in most of my previous replies on Suomisoundi, I have nothing against this type of music (aside from the fact that I personaly dont like most of it):
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I always had success in introducing Fintrance to friends in the past, and I always got great reactions when playing some PelinPala, Outolintu, Kiwa or James Reipas.
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that answers your comment? any 'anti-fintrance' theme here? anything hateful?
Please read my replies better and notice that although I have all the reasons in the world to critisize it I'm actualy supporting it.
My point here was that Suomisoundi is harder to digest and one need to bear that in mind when introducing it to 'virgin ears'.
As 99.9% of the fintrance fans put it - you need to take loads of halucinigenics to understand this music, and honestly - most people don't, so it is naturaly harder for them to adjust to this challenging sound.
Think about a young teenager girl who only know the very clean and easy production of, lets say, Madonna, Pink or C.Aguilera - what will happen to her if someone tries to introduce her into deeper sounds buy playing Aphex Twins on the first session? can you see the analog?
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luje
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Posted : May 7, 2004 17:47
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As a suomi fan, I have to agree with you on that.
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On 2004-05-07 10:44, helen wrote:
As 99.9% of the fintrance fans put it - you need to take loads of halucinigenics to understand this music, and honestly - most people don't, so it is naturaly harder for them to adjust to this challenging sound.
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But I have a lil to add.
I love psychedelic suomi saundi, prog, goa, mininal and full-on.
As long as it keeps psychedelic.
A feature that grows rarer when ya draw the line like that.
Myself, I can't see e-flip morning full-on as psychedeilc at all.
Should we doom that pop hypotetical child you mentioned to nothing but a fat bassline?
Some people have ethics, ya know. And they fight for it.
Some call it taste. Ok with me. As long as it doesnt prevent one to grow further. |
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