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What is with that off-bass progressive psy ??
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stilgar
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 06:01:19
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In the latest releases of progressive psy there is a clear tendency to use the off-bass formula, I think it's a good formula but it certainly makes a very monotone flow when mixing it.
What do you think ?? Maybe the producers are getting too lazy and are sticking to a pretty standard formula ?? Has been progressive psy infected by the same formula of full-on ?? |
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 06:05
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wtf is off-bass formula ?
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pr0fane
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 08:56
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No offence, but are you new to progressive psy? A lot of artists have been using this formula for many years already.
Yes, there are standard formulas in progressive psy, as well as in full on, electro, dark psy and pretty much most genres of music.
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 13:14
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^^Exept good music.
this never comes withing those lame formula unless you invented the formula and evryone just copy you (freq in prog , astrix in fullon , kindzadza in dark , tim healy and d-nox in electro-trance-prog-house , sasha in house , etc etc) www.sattelbattle.com
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 14:47
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On 2008-04-28 13:14, Elad wrote:
unless you invented the formula and evryone just copy you (freq in prog , astrix in fullon , kindzadza in dark , tim healy and d-nox in electro-trance-prog-house , sasha in house , etc etc)
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I reckon you're about 22 years old.
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 15:17
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well , no. and even if i was , then what? you feel superior on people that born ater you or something??
did i (or you?) miss something in 2008 and people do folow sounds of earlier projects like shiva space tsuyoshi sandman etc. ?  no they dont
most fullon sound like astrix's eye to eye in diffrent version , most defintly the israeli tricks of break wow pioo pam in the hommega line.. can you realy say wich track is astrix wich is delirious and wich is domestic ?
and next the 'dark fullon' of the likes of azax winter demon etc. diffrent trick and sound from hommega but still repeated in atleats 10 projects.
in prog , well , the stuation is slightly better , but still not more then 15 unique artists out of hundred.. sorry i have hard time to differ the artists from one each other like in 99.. simply tones of people doing same thing with little diffrent eq and think they invented something new..
dark influence , well you wish it would sound like the delta or xenomorph but listen good maybe one influence from 2000 its parasense and fungus funk , but its allready way diffrent sounds.. more like kindzadza's album 'waves from outer space'
anyhow one thing is sure , the umpa umpa rythm was in comon use also in the 90's www.sattelbattle.com
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Anak
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 20:52
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 21:37
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On 2008-04-28 13:14, Elad wrote:
^^Exept good music.
this never comes withing those lame formula unless you invented the formula and evryone just copy you (freq in prog , astrix in fullon , kindzadza in dark , tim healy and d-nox in electro-trance-prog-house , sasha in house , etc etc)
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My mother would disagree with you. It all sounds like noise to her. For her it's all the same formula. It's all in the ear of the beholder.
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kalumet
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 21:50
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On 2008-04-28 13:14, Elad wrote:
^^Exept good music.
this never comes withing those lame formula unless you invented the formula and evryone just copy you (freq in prog , astrix in fullon , kindzadza in dark , tim healy and d-nox in electro-trance-prog-house , sasha in house , etc etc)
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just wondering what did freq invent in prog... 
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 01:47
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On 2008-04-28 15:17, Elad wrote:
well , no. and even if i was , then what? you feel superior on people that born ater you or something?? |
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Not at all. I like younger people, especially young girls, they're all soft and firm like...
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can you realy say wich track is astrix wich is delirious and wich is domestic ? |
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No, but that's because I don't follow that scene. I bet the people that do, can tell them apart.
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On 2008-04-28 15:17, Elad wrote:
in prog , well , the stuation is slightly better , but still not more then 15 unique artists out of hundred.. sorry i have hard time to differ the artists from one each other like in 99.. simply tones of people doing same thing with little diffrent eq and think they invented something new....
anyhow one thing is sure , the umpa umpa rythm was in comon use also in the 90's
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Well that's pretty much in every scene. People get influenced by other people's music when they go out and get smashed partying, they wanna make something similar to what moved them so much in the first place.
Everything has been done before. Giorgio Marauder did 16th basslines when he wrote the riff to I Feel Love in 1977 (I think).
One thing's for sure, you me, anyone can't simply sign off genres by saying "simply tones of people doing same thing with little diffrent eq and think they invented something new".
Dark (or whatever they call it), trance sounds like gabba to me, but you don't see me going on about "x dark artist" sounding like early '90s death-core-gabba-whatever-people-called-it-back-then.
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stilgar
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 04:02
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Yes, I´m quite new to progressive psy (one year), but I've seen so many styles of basslines being used, I'm just wondering why in the latest releases so many producers are sticking to the same formula ??
And I'm not saying all the new progressive psy releases are like that, for example, the Audiomatrixx album uses a lot of fresh bassline formulas, they don't stick to the off-bass one. |
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Psynthex
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 06:56
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On 2008-04-28 08:56, pr0fane wrote:
No offence, but are you new to progressive psy? A lot of artists have been using this formula for many years already.
Yes, there are standard formulas in progressive psy, as well as in full on, electro, dark psy and pretty much most genres of music.
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Yeah that  nice written profane  And for the others; You are too over reacting and complicating in some things. Each artist should be respected with the music he does. Its a track! He has invested his time to do this! He has invested his energy to make it! You have all the rights to avoid some particular artists work, but never underestemate it or offend it. You actually have no rights to do that. If you think that the progressive sound is the same, than go and sit behind the computer and produce something new, something what you think that noone has done before. Its hard and maybe for now unreachable, but definetly possible.
IMO, in this year we have some beautifull acts ( new and old ). If i end this post with my best albums this year so far i should do it like this:
Aerospace, FlowJob, Audiomatrixx, Tegma, Sunhize, Human Blue..
and of course some good VAs ( not some, quite a lot of them, so it takes a lot of time to mention them, but of course everyone has it own taste )
Cheers,
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ocelot
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i think theres a difference between using common elements (16th note basslines or an 1/8th note off the kick bassline...) and just sticking to a genre formula that may or may not even be very good or very refined.
my house friends say most of the psy-prog with house influences is too damn fast and sounds too white and square.
my gabber friends claim the 16th note bassline of hyperfast darkcore trance sounds silly and out of place- one should use a more flowing distorted kick with the bassnote already in it- for that matter there is the breakbeat-jungle question- once it goes past 160bpm time to break the beat and not just hammeron like a moron.
fullon- dont get me started about how oompaloompa ravey davey the formula there is- far from perfect...
in any case- genres never were and never will be set in stone- only dj's think that.
but dj's- jesusfuckingchrist- they keep insisting on consistency in track selection... practically MAKING genre habits of their own... some actually ARE shaping the genres!
anyway- rather than complain- how about a mission statement something like: EVOLVE!
and dont just listen to kiss-ass people next to you who would say "great!" to anything... really question and look and refine...
but its up to each of us to determine the flow- statistics are made up of individuals atomically speaking...
everyone can only do for him/herself...
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aXis
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 05:34
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gil ? r u talkin abt gil ?? |
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ocelot
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 10:00
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self similar music and the desire for it... |
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