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What do you think of parties? Do they deliver a message?
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:august:
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Posted : Jun 1, 2006 14:25
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i'll just quote stuff from other topics to assemble a background:
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On 2006-06-01 01:21, :august: wrote:
hmmm... my friend tim, there are some questions that still wander in my mind and trouble me since i read your post and i can't stop my fingers from typing.. so i'll just ask!  what crap did you end and how? who are the "experts" and "kseroles goates"? who got lost in his ambition? what is your vision? if people attend only 2-3 events every year, will the scene get the support it needs? and finally a comment.. i believe that music has to carry a message. without a message it is empty. if that message would be "plur" or smth similar it makes me happy. the message doesn't have to describe real social structures, but maybe utopical ones which could be real (or not) and which people like to imagine as a "perfect place"..there is nothing wrong with that i believe, it gives people strength and hope for a better world.. what kind of message do you think music should deliver? i totally agree with you that you have to keep your goals in life and not lose track of your path, so working, studying and being creative in general is very important. thank you my friend
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On 2006-06-01 12:47, tim@motion wrote:
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On 2006-05-31 23:52, ~Paranoia~ wrote:
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I think tim you must have a sirius pain in your hand and brain to right all this 
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I sure did have a pain. But not in the brain but in my arse
@ :august:
First of all i'm not your friend
Second i think i was clear about my vision.
Third, the "experts" : Typical Greek species criticizing all the time without serious proposals, acting like knowing everything ( kind of: "an eimuna prothipurgos egw tha evaza mia taksi s'afth th xwra")
About the attendance of ppl. I mostly care not to see youngsters, off their faces on chemicals, rather than watching them "supporting" the scene. If there are 3000-4000 ppl going at parties anualy they can chose and attend maximum 3 parties per year.
And finally. If you wish to have false ideas and fake messages from a music scene i respect it and it is your perogative.
Fictionary worlds and images of life, will lead young ppl to weakness and disapointment when the "trip" is over. The power of this music is overwhelming and you know that. It can easily be connected with social matters on one hand, and/or, in fairy-alien tales on the other. If you look around plenty of promoters are keeping it like this and this is fine. But not eternal motion org. Raves are just for fun for us. This is our message.
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ok, you're not my friend if you do not wish to be
what became clear to me personaly as a possible vision, is a scene where young people study or work (or both) attend 2-3 psy or any kind of trance events every year, and think of these as raves. when they go home and think about it again, it was just a rave, just for fun, and life goes on as it used to with NO CHANGES. no alternation to the perspectives of life one has, no enlightment to the potential the human race has, how things could be and how they really are. if you can feel the contrast between these two, you've done a big step, you can realise the world we live in is shitty, but that there is a potential for CHANGE. and then... you can do whatever you want with those realisations. believe in them or don't, throw them away or keep them, love them or hate them. it doesn't matter. you had the choice and you CHOSE.
and that is the message i believe in, what the psy scene should reflect
independent of age people who are independant, smart, humble, enjoy music and nature and believe in ideals.
evolution doesn't happen in 10 years, or in 20, not even in 100. it took us thousands of years to be what we have become.
as for the frequency of the visits, they are a personal matter i believe, which cannot be generalised easily. as long as one doesn't lose his balance it is all cool.
it is everyones prerogative to choose.. and everyones choices should be respected.
so tell me what you choose! 
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mozillas
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Posted : Jun 1, 2006 14:34
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yeap
eat drugs and fight at the morning
Psarades GATZOluomai sta xeria mou exw bafo
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tim@motion
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i respect your ideas :august: .But i certainly don't accept them in my personal life.
What i chose is clearly reflected in my posts. Raves is the most dangerous field to "develop" a young persons visions for life. I hope you can understand the reason why...
Now talking and thinking of the human race's progress etc and connecting them with raves ...well let me keep my distance from this
What i chose? i already chose to be a party organiser. I find it constructive and very objective and it fills me up in a very respectet percentage. If you chose to connect the 4/4 beats and loops with philosophy and social awarness it's fine with me. Same goes for every party goer...i am just the organiser and i maintain the right of my personal point of view. wich is reflected in the way we promote the eternal motion's parties along with velis. Feel free to maintain your ideas too and we are all happy.
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:august:
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Posted : Jun 1, 2006 16:56
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i also respect your ideas tim@motion. and i do find they contain truth and logic, i'm just to optimistic to accept them as the only and absolute truth as for the human progress and music, i believe there is a connection, as the music you like also defines a part of your self.
4/4 beats and loops rock, and i think it is a great thing that you organise parties and help artists and their music travel the world!
peace 
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Gopendragon
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music without culture and spirit is like an empty glass of water...just fill the glass with some water and enjoy your fresh drink...
where is the difference here?
anyway we need money to make parties,we need money to live as a human and not as an animal,but much more money then we need to live is a negative action,because is like stealing them from those who dont have enouph wich that means a negative reaction,so that might get some people out from the ecstatic party moments cause of money....
evryone have his own diff point in the scene,and organizers always keeps the most difficult part of work in that big rave society,we all need to be mebers of that big universal family,from the poor ones till the rich ones,a little bit spirit and culture with real plur is needed...but I truly cant believe that there are some authentic trancers on the scene who are in, only for the product and the sales, without any piece of feelings,dreams,and utopic visions for a psychedelicious partyland experiences... for the past present and future....
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Psy_mystic
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On 2006-06-01 14:34, mozillas wrote:
yeap
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this is the answers u usually get when u ask these kind of questions .. dont let that put you down though, cause there are ppl out there who know what you are talking about august, and are ready to be part of the change .
PArties deliver a message ,thats undisputable ,now the question is how do ppl receive that message and if they think of going to a party as the same as going to a club
then imo they do not care for any messages whatsoever- which doesnt stop the message from being delivered to the open ppl though
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mozillas
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Posted : Jun 3, 2006 22:14
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On 2006-06-03 18:39, Psy_mystic wrote:
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On 2006-06-01 14:34, mozillas wrote:
yeap
eat drugs and fight at the morning
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this is the answers u usually get when u ask these kind of questions .. dont let that put you down though, cause there are ppl out there who know what you are talking about august, and are ready to be part of the change .
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yes
after the lsd and the E's many changes happening
Psarades GATZOluomai sta xeria mou exw bafo
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Rob0tron-X
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I believe that psy parties have a message for everyone.Each of us deliver it with a different way.From all the parties that i have been i always see a union among people that reminds me that this is the way humans have to be and not the way that f@cking society force us to be (selfish,cruel and everything for the money...) In parties we all gathered together to keep the scene and the psy spirit alive.
But sometimes when the f@ucking drugs get into parties,some people forget what we represent and forget what they are and as a result we have some fights that cause as the bad name as a culture...
So,the message that every seperate person takes from the parties must keep it deep inside him and use it as a power to keep on the scene alive...
keep on trancing and as i have said,as i'm saying now and as i always going to say THE MUSIC IS THE BEST DRUG!!!
MUSIC IS THE BEST DRUG... |
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Gopendragon
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CRX(HSS Records)
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On 2006-06-03 22:14, mozillas wrote:
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On 2006-06-03 18:39, Psy_mystic wrote:
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On 2006-06-01 14:34, mozillas wrote:
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eat drugs and fight at the morning
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this is the answers u usually get when u ask these kind of questions .. dont let that put you down though, cause there are ppl out there who know what you are talking about august, and are ready to be part of the change .
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yes
after the lsd and the E's many changes happening
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as far as parties r concerned it's all in the mind.if u only see the fights and the substances ok but for others it's a party.they know ppl,the dance,they flirt,they talk about philosophy and aliens(  ) as I say it's all in the mind.
but those atakes like xilo xilo preza preza iste kammenoi den ime kammenos ante me ta karvouna ktl is getting boring.
finally if u don't like the things going on
1.go to venue re filos(without personally talking to u man or
2.do a party your way and I'm sure that many ppl will show up
psychedelia has no limits....
so good things r coming this summer and I hope to meet each one of u out there .
respect ,
CRX,athens
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Jun 11, 2006 13:56
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two thumbs up for faithnomore
thats the kind of vibes needed to keep the spirit alive- with or without substances,who cares , as long as there is respect towards others and love ! yes love ,it sounds strange doesnt it ? -he said love ,oooh hes a hippy plur blah blah blah .... LOVE : just do it !
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harmony wala
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Posted : Jun 12, 2006 20:56
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everybody is entitled to his or her opinion.respect that opinion.
do parties deliever a message?
the answer to this cannot be generalised.as far as i am concerned , i guess they do. psy trance is a very strong medium. it has to be respected and we have to be carefull. experience the psy trance culture in its totality. enjoy the substances but dont be in just for the substances.
realise that we all are one, so therefore respect each other.
again this is just an opinion. |
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:august:
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Posted : Jun 14, 2006 14:02
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harmony wala, it is a very nice opinion, expressed shortly and accurately 
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PRAYING FAIRY
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The point here guys isn't if parties deliver a message, but if the people participating in it can receive it or not....
My personal oppinion is that in everything we do or act or........etc there is a message, after that it's up to us to accept it or to ignore it.......you see,is not what you see but what you perceive
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