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What can we do with the canadian trance scene?
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jameson
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 19:31
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Go ahead give your best shot, find an adjective or label me, it's easier, you don't have to think much, i hope i'm not pissing you off amigo......... |
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jameson
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 20:24
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to spliffnik:
You see no offending to atacking, that is the correct and civilized way to construct a reply, thank you! |
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Psyrage
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 21:54
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jameson... i totally knwo what u mean...
i know what the problem is ... and i know how to fix it... but i cant post it publically
PM me and ill explain |
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jameson
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 23:12
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but besides all of the bull shit i still apreciate every body's opinion towards my thoughts, it helps me "think" and "re-think" about how i "think", so thank you ever body any ways.
I still enjoy every body presence in this forum |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 04:07
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All right, I'll give this a fair shot. To clear up some of your misconceptions, jameson:
- people went off to Goa and other places and brought the vibe back to Toronto in 96. Full-scale events didn't take off as the city was deep in the grips of rave-mania and people tended to prefer jungle, house, and happy hardcore.
- what was missing with Juno Reactor? Honestly, there was nothing wrong with that event. Nice mostly un-used location, wicked setup re: visuals, deco, and the vibe was as intense as the performance. No, I stand by what I said - the only thing missing was support from the people in the scene here.
- regarding where Toronto is now... look, its a very complicated issue and has to deal a lot with ugly politics and our friend economics. Some people who have put a lot into this scene (i.e. DSF with the Juno Reactor event) and gotten so little out of it soon lose their interest in casually losing money like that. Some others lost interest but continued to make parties without innovating or changing anything. Others are doing well... I would really recommend the BLA events for world-class partying, but expect mainly dark/prog/tech styles, only a dash of full on at times. My own org threw a successful event earlier this year with a good 500 people at it but finding that unique venue to make all the time and effort of creating a party worth it has proven to be too difficult, so we take a break for now. Basically, I'd recommend that you check out the next full-scale BLA event and see if you like it. Most of the other promoters in town throw some good events but might not be up to your expectations as world-traveller and so on.
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SmokyDave
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Posted : Nov 26, 2003 20:11
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jameson,
You seem to act like you've seen a lot of really good trance parties. Where have you been? You give props to parties like Samothraki and Boom, but from the way you talk it doesn't sound like you know what kind of music they listen to at those parties.. You make it sound like you think people aren't picky enough about what they'll dance to here, have you ever been to a party in Europe?
For the record, I have travelled, I've gone to psytrance parties in Israel, Germany, France, Greece and the UK. I've helped with parties over in the UK and here and I have a pretty good idea of what the differences are in how they're thrown and how they're attended. The number one problem in Toronto is that people in general are TOO picky about what they'll dance to. Most of the people I know in the UK will go to a psy-trance event, or a drum'n bass event, and still have a good time. Many of the squat parties I went to would have acid techno and psy-trance in the same room.
In Tel-Aviv, people will go see Simon Posford one night, then listen go to an R&B party the next night.
In contrast, one of my friends here in Toronto throws Promise Events, largely house and techno. He's a big fan of trance and psy-trance and tries to bring some of that talent into his parties. In response he gets people e-mailing him and calling him complaining that they have to listen to even 1 psy-trance d.j.
In Toronto I heard people complaining about a set being too Guitar filled, too fast and hyper, too deep and monotonous. It's impossible to satisfy everyone here..
I went to Solaluna/Samothraki.. People danced the whole time, and they didn't care if the track was too this or not enough that. They just wanted to have fun!
You come here and say that the Eloko party was dark and deco-less, even though there were at least 30 ORIGINAL art pieces, both string art and painted art, all over the place, and UV lights everywhere.
Then you talk about the Lakura party (AKA the Russian party) like it was beautiful, even though all their artwork is store bought Indonesian Batiks that you can buy along the beaches in goa and israel.
Again, I'm interested to hear where you're drawing your comparisons from.
IMO, toronto won't ever have a huge psy-trance scene because the people in this city are comparitively conservative when compared to Europe.. The idea of dancing being fun instead of being for meeting someone to screw hasn't become mainstream yet. And in general, most people here (I'm talking majority of the 5 million people in the greater Toronto area) have never gone to any festivals or all night parties in India or Goa. In fact, most of the people here have never gone to any underdeveloped countries or places that don't have mcdonalds lining the roads. It's a fault of our society, not our scene, and it takes more than extra deco and some big name acts to get people to start stomping to psy-trance.
On a side-note: Psy-rage, last time I talked to you you told me you moved here from Israel at the age of 13.. Did you somehow get a lot of experience in the scene there at that age? Do you use that flag here because you feel more loyalty to Israel than to Canada? |
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jameson
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 19:32
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To smokeydave :
1-It looks like you know what you're talking about , but it only looks like it. If you've been in all those places you would understand my point!
It's not the deco. or the music or the vibe, it's everything together. BOOM FESTIVAL didn't hppen this year( 2 in 2 years only) because of 2 reasons: no fresh music(styles) and the vibe in the trance scene.
Goodmood are experienced organizers and they knew it wouldn't be a good to trow a festival this year.
VIBE- very important and we are a live example.Instead of finding a solution for a good party in toronto we're fighting about stuff like wich label is better as if we had a huge and developed trance scene. All that i want is to have the same feeling ( because i'm MOSTLY in to it for theMUSIC my FRiend!) like i had in boom, voov, huga, love parade (germany in 90 fuckin 5) and let to other people know this same feeling. I want to share my experience and not hide it, life is short and i don't understand why we fight instead of doing. Their are 12 people from Toronto in this forum, 12 *200=2400$ here we go , we have a party!
Think about this and not about what i right, and please don't take anything personal this is a fuckin forum , Cheer's Mate......... |
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karnaf
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Posted : Nov 28, 2003 00:43
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OK, hold it. I believe the subject of this thread is "What can we do with the canadian trance scene?" and not "Let's all sit down and bitch about Canadian scene", right?
So, off with the fight, good vibes and happiness to all, and BACK TO THE SUBJECT.
I don't know the scene in Canada, haven't had the pleasure yet, but it sounds like you guys are too busy fighting among yourselves then helping it evolve. In so many cases, I saw scenes thrive just on ppl helping each other - it is part of the vibe you all are looking for.
You want it to be better so badly? Do something - help organizers find a way to help each other, start your own organizing team, be active.
Bitching is fun  but it is better to give constractive criticism and support.
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DJ Shankar
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Posted : Nov 28, 2003 07:42
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You know, Karnaf is right...we bitch too much at our tiny scene that we have, but we do nothing to develop it. I think Toronto has a great potential for psy-movement, we just gotta spread the message around and promote the sound. If you could only see the last IM party at the Guv, which was fully packed, you'd know right away. AND FOR GOD SAKE - LETS WORK TOGETHER. We are all PSY-entities, not just somebody we pass on the street. The key to success is union and friendship, rather than enimocity and hatred. |
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SmokyDave
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Posted : Nov 28, 2003 22:24
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Well, myself, I've created a psychedelic circus of UV and fire, we generally haven't done much more than fool around at parties.. Nor at any of the BLA or Eloko parties.. But we have a lot of production planned for (perhaps) the next BLA and Eloko party, and a humongous production planned for the Om festival this coming spring.
My efforts have had only a minimum of support from the majority of clubs and promoters in Toronto, but for those who've even done so much as invited us THANK YOU!!
As for improving upon the model.. I think Eloko and BLA are doing it almost exactly as its been done in most of the countries I've visited. Chai tea was a great touch, and so needed.. Massage healing area was brilliant. The chill room was exactly what I hoped for (though I would've liked more world beat music). A kind kitchen would've been nice, maybe smoothies? (I have a blender you guys can borrow)
Really tho, those are very small things that won't make the party suddenly sell out. But there's the real question isn't it? Do we want to sell out? |
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seb@Mandala
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Posted : Nov 30, 2003 01:03
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Well I would say that the Canadian trance scene is doing fine, at least in Montreal and I think in Toronto too. We have nice quality events of all kind since 94. Small loft parties (300 people and less) bigger indoor parties (500 to 800) with great headliners from all over the world and a few big outdoor festivals (more then 1000) in the summer. In the last few years in montreal only we had the chance to hear X-Dream, Delta, Midimiliz, Spiralianz, Absolum, Synthetic/Deedrah, Talamasca, Nomad, Dede, Jothi, CPU, Biodegradable, Saafi Connection and many others. I know Toronto also had really nice guests and nice parties. On top of that, the scene here survives on small parties, done by many small organisations with local djs. That is what really makes a scene alive and growing. Personally I think our outdoor festivals are really great, especally Natura (RIP) and Eclipse in Montreal and Om and Harvest Fest in Toronto. I went to play for the first time at harvest fest last summer and I really had a blast (big thanks to the BLA crew)... this festival was just amazing. Your talking about the vibe ... well this party had one the best vibe I've seen in a party so far. By far better then all the crappy parties I've been to in Goa and in India in general.
So for those of you who seem to be looking for a party they are all over the place !!
Check out these good upcoming events :
Dec. 20th: Mandala & Alien crew christmas party ( Montreal)
New Year : BLA party with Tetraktys (Toronto)
New Year : Elevation with 3.turn (Montreal)
April : Homeworld with very special guest (Montreal)
Mai : Myst with Nomad live (Montreal)
June : Om Festival (Toronto)
July : Eclipse Festival (Montreal)
September : Harvest Fest (Toronto)
For smaller parties check out forums ... there are so many. If nothing in the above suits your tastes ... well organize one yourself or move in another country
Peace |
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RetroActive
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i wish we could have a chance to hear them here in Toronto aswell  !! |
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seb@Mandala
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Posted : Nov 30, 2003 19:16
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Yes but you guys got Son Kite, Logic Bomb , Planet Ben, GMS and Hallucinogen !!! And X-Dream played once in Toronto something like 5 years ago. The party was cool, it was in a bar. The only bad thing is that the party ended at 4H30 just after their live. |
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waltman
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Posted : Nov 30, 2003 22:31
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To rectro active:
If you would like to hear them, so tell your friends to bring them.
To Mandala:
5 years ago is the last century, lets concentrate in what happens today,wich is not a hell alot .
It's a third weekend in a row that i spend at home, there wasn't any good or bad party's.
I could trow my own, but everyone says that i'll lose money so it's kind of stupid.
People from Toronto can you tell me how many of us are in "Gotham City"? |
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TriPete
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Posted : Dec 1, 2003 08:00
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To me it seems that its like this:
There is a scene in Toronto but it is very very small.
Especially in comparison to other places.
seb@Mandala, in Toronto the scene is not doing well...because, like walman noted, we have long periods of times between events/parties. And in between we sit at home...do the stuff we usually do (maybe a doobie or two)  ...collect music...and basically scratch our balls and get bored. Maybe a private party here and there...but its not the same.
(did i mention work)
There are groups of ppl who try to change that.
Some created a small bubble and like where they sit. some aim higher.
There are also those who always try to put others down because they are either dont have the balls to do something themselves or because they are happy in their bubble...and afraid to try something new and expand the scene.
Nevertheless, i know there will always be those will not stop trying and the scene in Toronto will grow. Time will tell everything.
To trow parties and at least break even we - Torontonians - need to expand the scene.
Good Luck.
Peace. |
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