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WE NEED A CHANGE!!!

Osher (Ananda Shake)
Ananda Shake

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 02:48
easy easy man the change will be come soon
for now we realy enjoy the music !
so keep it up !

people can fly anything can hapeen!
Krod20
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 05:19
This is one the stupidest post I have read the forum ever, someone really young must of posted this.

After liseting to electronic music for almost 20 years who is to say when music is boring and needs change. I mean really young people now in days have such short attention expands they get bored so easily of everything. Is like they have to have something fresh and innovative every years its ridiculous this mentallity. If you are true psytrancer you will evolve with the music and when it needs to. If you are bored go listen to hip hop to rock stop complaining. Like is so easy to make innovative things. Like turning a light switch. I suggest you listen to other styles of music instead psy trance all the time Because I even get sick of it you listen to only psy trance.
full_on
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 07:51
Hey, friend psydark_light, I guess in Finland they like much more Minimal than Full On, and they prefer hear Minimal tracks in the dancefloor. So what's happening there???

Isn't it a matter of taste (and maybe culture)?
I like full on much more than minimal, but it's just my taste, it's not a peremptory truth.
Respect!


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Plan_B
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 11:10
Why the temper?
Evolution, like it or not is most likely to come soon. if not, the genre will become sleepy, non-innovative
(E.g. disco... )

"Evol"           "The Blues is'nt about making you feel better. It's about making others feel worse, and make a few bucks while you're at it." - "Bleeding gums" Murphey.
chrome

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 11:12
I think it's the people that sits and download mp3's all day that gets bored quick and wants a new style every month. And there seems to be plenty of these in the psytrance community. I think it gets harder to appreciate the music if you have a new album waiting for you every day. And as Krod20 wrote above, it's really good to take a break from psytrance and listen to some other music everywhile. Everything will sound better when you get back to the trance again.

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Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 11:45
Psydark: OK, as to "minimal" not comparing to psytrance, well, I just happen to be a trance fan for 10 years, and yes, I loved goa, I didn't really like full-on (not nearly in the same way), but now I listen mostly to progressive and minimal music. Why? BECAUSE IT IS PSYTRANCE.

Shiva Chandra, considered by many the most pioneering act in minimal psytrance today, was at first a goa artist. I still have goa tracks of his on various compilations around my place. Are you telling me that someone who made excellent goa and now makes minimal all of a sudden became worse? He improved with time, doing a lot of very special, very deep things. If you want a real psychedelic experience when listening to music today, you've got to stop looking at the music you get in the mainstream. I mean, I can listen to Son Kite, Ticon, Tegma, GMS, Alien Project, Parasense and a whole lot of other acts, and you know what? I totally agree with you in this case. WE NEED CHANGE. These guys really don't supply us that anymore.

So look in the "fringes" of the scene, on the acts that do things because they feel that they want to take their music another step further - each track. Shiva Chandra is an extreme version of this (you can listen how he gets more and more minimal each release), but Electric Universe, Necton (ok, Spirit Zone are great), Charm, Weirdo Beardo (cheers Ulf ), Spirallianz, Loopus in Fabula, Prometheus (and his various projects like Cyberbabas and Younger Brother), Green Oms (you want that goa feeling? Check out the album)...

The list of talented acts that do totally great things and try to take trance music further has NOT grown shorter with time, but it's drowned by a lot of music which doesn't try to make change, but rather make more of what the labels/crowd wants (I'm sorry, but MPDQX and TIP World just pop up in my head when I think of this, I know I will get massively attacked for this). Anyways, you just need to filter out the music you listen to, and you'll end up with extremely varied high quality music no matter what your taste is. It's all there. Just look harder.

Some related threads to this one you might want to participate in:

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=1&16

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=11115&forum=1&108

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=10971&forum=1&8

And you might find this one familiar, but it already discussed the exact same thing, and you might agree with the author of that thread:

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=10674&forum=1&144          http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
psydark_light
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 12:13
if u ask me , people in this forum don't know what's going out side !

there are lots of people don't know what's minimal at all !
and I actually they don't want to know !
these people , are the real crowd , the crowd that listen to good music !

not like people in this forum , they are not a collectors , they are not DJs , they have nothing to do with music creation , and they have nothing to do with the net brainwashing.
they just liten to good music !
guess what , those people are the people behind the sales !!!
not u , not the artists, even not the djs .

sorry dude, but most of the people in this forum got brainwashed.

many artists and djs I talk with... downloads tons of music till their mind is blowing up with too much music !

u harm the whole world of music byurself !
most of the people in this forum , undeserve the right to ask for changes !           what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?

DJs can fly!
traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 13:39
Quote:

On 2003-03-02 07:51, full_on wrote:
Hey, friend psydark_light, I guess in Finland they like much more Minimal than Full On, and they prefer hear Minimal tracks in the dancefloor. So what's happening there???

Isn't it a matter of taste (and maybe culture)?
I like full on much more than minimal, but it's just my taste, it's not a peremptory truth.
Respect!








never ever mention Finland and minimal in the same sentence.. unless also the word "dislike" is included..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 14:36
Psydark: are you telling people here that we don't know what's going outside? I promise you, I've been to more parties than you. Festivals, small underground ones, big commercial ones, in 5 different countries. I'm not a DJ, I never installed soulseek, and I'm an artist in my free time.

The 'real' crowd as you see it out there, wants GMS, Alien Project, Skazi and Parasense on the dancefloor. It's the easiest type of trance to dance too, nothing too deep or psychedelic, just pounding very hard with a lot of energy. Just like Nitzhonot brought a lot of people into the trance world, full-on brings a lot of people into the progressive world. With knowledge, comes understanding. The average forum member here knows a LOT more about trance music than the average raver. That doesn't make their opinion any less relevant.

As for not deserving to hear the changes - who isn't deserving? The artists? The DJs? The people who've been trance nuts for years and the first thing they do on the internet is check about trance music? These are the people that want change the most, these are the people that really keep an open mind. Any person who goes to a party to dance to Astrix on some E is perfectly happy with music today. Unfortunately, OPEN YOUR EYES, THEY ARE A GIANT GROUP. You think people here don't deserve to see change? What about the thousands and thousands of people that go to parties where they know that the same music they've heard before will be played again?

Those are the real majority. Not us. We're a small group of people that have very strong opinions about trance. There are a lot of people here who influence the scene - DJs, Artists, label workers and managers, party organizers/promoters, and more than all of that, we're a small tribe of people that are just absolutely crazy for trance.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
psydark_light
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 15:05
Quote:

On 2003-03-02 14:36, kaz wrote:
The 'real' crowd as you see it out there, wants GMS, Alien Project, Skazi and Parasense on the dancefloor. It's the easiest type of trance to dance too, nothing too deep or psychedelic, just pounding very hard with a lot of energy.



u talking about "open ur mind" !
if u will open ur mind a little , u will find that good full psychedelic music is much more deep than good mini psychedelic music!

as u said , u just need to find the good bands.
and u just need to stay open minded when u listen to these tracks.


man...
u are just make my hypothesis even stronger !
u are brainwashed if u think that minimal is just for open minded people!

the music should open ur mind , u don't need to be open at the first !

if the music is good enough , my mind is open !

Full music - doesn't mean full on , it means full features !

PS - many people in this forum brainwashed by themself.


          what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?

DJs can fly!
Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 16:41
I've been listening to trance music since you were still learning to multiply. I've listened to full-on FOR THREE YEARS. I've listened to goa and psytrance before that FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. When people first tried to make me listen to minimal, I HATED it. It took me a long time, until I got out of my "full sound capacity" music shell and opened up to other things. I still enjoy good non-minimal, non-progressive music (like I said earlier, Weirdo Beardo, Loopus in Fabula, Green Oms). I didn't even say I liked minimal more than that.

I just said, you're dissing minimal. You do this, because you don't like it. OK, that's fair enough. But saying that it's inferior music? Saying I was brainwashed? It took me a year to move from goa to full-on (mainly due to a lack of quality goa trance). It took me four months to get over full-on (and that's a short period because full-on was never 100% my thing). But once I opened up my mind to minimal and progressive music, I found out that it's great. You think I don't know what good full psychedelic music is? I still listen to that music today. I've been listening to it for 10 years. I listen ALSO to a lot of minimal and progressive music, because it's just as much art, and usually very, very deep.

People who were on the old forum a long time ago will tell you I used to be one of the "I love goa, minimal is bad" people myself. Time has past since, and guess what? I found out I was wrong. Just like you appreciate some tracks so much more every time you listen to them, it's the same with minimal. Sure, it may sound empty. It may sound a lot less psychedelic. It may sound like there was no effort put into it. But that's only to people who are used to listening to "full" (as you define it) music. Nitzhonot is "full" music. Very melodic, a lot of elements. Very good on the dancefloor - MUCH more people like this music the first time they hear it than GMS or Absolum or whatever. Same with house music. The fact that the crowd loves this music or not is totally irrelevant. You're mixing up "I want new music" and "I hate minimal" as if they're the same topic. THEY ARE NOT. You may be sure you're right, and that you know more than others. IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY MORE QUALIFIED FOR AN OPINION THAN ANYONE ELSE.

And as for the people brainwashed by themselves in this forum - instead of blaming everyone else for being brainwashed, maybe it was you? Who knows, you wouldn't know if you're the one that's been brainwashed or not. Let alone this information about others you never met.

Sorry for being blunt here, but as I made your hypothesis stronger, you made my hypothesis that you're just in here to tell people you know the way and show how cool you are stronger. The hypothesis that you don't know what you're talking about but think that if you'll keep on writing it again and again it will be true. Am I right? Does it matter? Should this opinion be expressed?

Maybe, no, and it's offensive (no).

This is the end of this conversation for me, as some people obviously aren't trying to listen to my words and think I didn't understand what they're saying. I've been there, done that, been on all of the sides of this debate.

I am out of this one.
          http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Chi
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  312
Posted : Mar 2, 2003 18:05
hey R-E-L man, are you talking about trance in general or only full-on? If it's about full-on, I also think that artists have found a formula, which is similar for all the artists.
Fortunately, there is still some deviation from "the formula" (aka gms, alien project, astrix, earthling, nomad, absolum, cyber cartel, talamasca, atomic pulse - not that i don't like them, it's just that they use "the formula"). Listen to some Sesto Sento. i think they are really innovative. the way the music builds up and their basses...
traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 18:53
there's trance and there's psytrance

trance:
full on (strong kicks),
progressive (tracks follow a certain formula),
minimal (not too much is thrown in),
tech (pretty much same than progressive I guess),
uplifting (usually massive simple melodies),
experimental (a new approach)
melodic (melodies)
& so on..

psytrance:
psychedelic trance,
the goal is to affect the listener,
make him go into trance
there are no rules
there are no formulas
there's innovativity
tracks from other categories can be also "psytrance"
check out "ambient - Shpongle", "melodic - Infected Mushroom", "uplifting/melodic - Astral Projection" and many many more..
          "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
Insane Behavior
Insane Behavior

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Posts :  190
Posted : Mar 2, 2003 23:45
Bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla.....

i dont have the time to read it all,,

but keep an eye on for sweden and denmark.
....


See ya friends


Bomz.
Ulf:G
Weirdo Beardo

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Posts :  174
Posted : Mar 3, 2003 21:19
Yes, and specially that Bobo-dude from Aarhus...
He's totally crazy... ;-)


(B.t.w - did you know that Bobo is an Tagalog word for "Idiot" ? =)

/Ulf.

P.s. Regards to Jahbo to... d.s.
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