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Very good article
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 14:35
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Is there any way to find(read) this article in english?
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 15:54
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On 2007-10-22 15:21, faxinadu wrote:
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On 2007-10-22 14:35, Jedi_knight wrote:
Is there any way to find(read) this article in english?
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afraid not, this is an article in a hebrew magazine.
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Thanx anyway...
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ori_k
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Posted : Oct 23, 2007 11:23
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well
i can assure u one thing
i'm 19-been into trance music since im 15-never lived the "old days" scene
and still find trance very meaningful to me in every aspect of my life =)
imo the major change this music has undergone is that most psychedelica has shifted towards down tempo as most up tempo releases today aren't all that psychedelic
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huda-g
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On 2007-10-23 11:23, ori_k wrote:
imo the major change this music has undergone is that most psychedelica has shifted towards down tempo as most up tempo releases today aren't all that psychedelic
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well..
psychdelya is a subjective term.. |
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huda-g
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Posted : Oct 23, 2007 16:59
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this article is for me the true proove that trance hes
ivolved and became whider and more colorful
part of this evolution is that some ppl will drop on the way and will not connect to it (they will stuck on the "good old days") like the aothor of this article
that seems to have no idea about whats going in the trance scene this days... wich is big,colorfull,diversed
and mostly.. KICKING HARDER THEN EVER!
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shahar
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The truth is that all the festivals made this year in Israel lost money big time. I'm talking real festivals- more than two days, away from civilization. The reason they lost money is because not enough people came. 10 years ago if you would promise me a festival of 3-5 days, professionally organized, in amazing nature, without police intervention, with artists from abroad- I would pay a 1000 shekels a year in advance. It's the truth. In Huga there were 15,000 people. In Kikar Rabin there were 40,000. These days, there aren't enough people for a festival not to lose money- 2000 was the max a festival got. And they were all organized amazingly well.
And don't talk to me about Moksha, it was a great commercial party, with great music, and I had loads of fun, but that's all that it was- a day and a half between fences. It wasn't a festival, and there wasn't even the autonomous feel of a party with that high rise building close on the background.
The only exception is The Doof- I hope it survives.
Generally, the Israeli trance community doesn't want festivals, it doesn't want to be a tribe of good people somewhere in beautiful nature, it doesn't want to change the world, it doesn't want the world to change. It wants to have some fun and blow its head off in the weekend, not too far from home, and get back to everyday life as quickly as possible. I think that is what the article is about (Though I agree it's a bit hard to get it since it's written in such an awful language, but that seems to be how it's "cool" to write these days).
Now don't get me wrong- I don't say this is bad, I don't say the old times were better (even though all we old people know they were), and I don't say people should change their ways. I only observe that this is how it is. The trance community in Israel is not dead, it just changed. A lot.
I also don't say that you can't find anymore little tribes of people dancing in beautiful faraway places and even hoping to change the world a little bit, or at least be really nice to each other. You can, and I believe you will always be able to. It's just that I know enough people that if they wouldn't be able to find a good party will make one. I'll try to be there too 
And Elad thanks for that video link- that is actually an old clip to Shiva Shidapu's India Spirit. The party footage is from India, a little Goa, but mostly a party in Hampi with Jorg and his all-India-permit techno bus. The footage of Jorg and the little kid in white clothes is from the Dead Sea (a few years later), and the little kid is of course Erez Eizen.
And Yoni, that was not your best observation. My spirit and good faith never went away, and it never needed acid in the past and doesn't need it now, as you could have observed on our last meeting on the TAZ dancefloor (where you were walking all clean around saying hello to people and doing the branja thing, and I was dancing madly in the mud sweating like a cold beer bottle in Goa in the monsoon).
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ori_k
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Posted : Oct 23, 2007 23:12
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On 2007-10-23 20:27, shahar wrote:
It wants to have some fun and blow its head off in the weekend, not too far from home, and get back to everyday life as quickly as possible.
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so sadly true..
either that or kiss some producer/promoter/party organizer a$$ to become popular like some frickin' high school teenagers
there are still some who embrace the "trancey" way of life to the fullest, but i find(found) it kind'a difficult to do so in Israel these days just as the article suggests
btw i'm 100% drug free..never stopped me from enjoying this music like hell
only problem is sometimes those acid heads at parties seem ridiculously pathetic(no offense yo)
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Elad
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well shahar also remind all that for kikar rabin it was free , no 1000 shekel a year advenced.
make it today also 40000 will come 
anyway u can agree if someone that started this trance scence have same fun today , its not dead at all , and if other peaple dont enjoy as much , well , peaple change...
festivals btw , its just not the right place to do it , police still not leting us do it freely. missed TAZ so maybe there it was better , but with the police in israel its hard to even make good day party , none the less , the real magic does happen once in evry hmm , few weeks/months
btw about acid ventura , i stoped with this about 2 years ago and only made me even more psychadelic musical speaking... it was always inside and now i know how to find it without actual substence  medidate your dleka lol
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huga_generation
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Posted : Oct 24, 2007 18:31
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well, interesting topic indeed..
first, to take the acid joke so far from the real context just to make your points clearer, is just not a very smart way to debat, sarcastic maybe
i think people had a tendency to paint the past in pink colors all around, maybe it was a better time after all, but the main reason why only 3 festivals was succesfull this year, it's beacuse all the last generation grew up with these production.
i used to go to moksha doof or the empire parties since i was 17, such as me lot's a lot's of friends that i know i can meet only in a good production of them and for sure in their festivals.
this is the 2000's tribe and not the 90's i gues, and this tribe show up every time there's a good rave around.
the fact is that the holy rave was produced by someone that most people just dont really know, at least not good as the last 3 production's i mentioned, he wasnt here (producing wise ) something like a decade, so the 2000 people that actually made all the way to timna is much more than suprize for me.
that my point of view about this...
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On 2007-10-23 20:27, shahar wrote:
Generally, the Israeli trance community doesn't want festivals, it doesn't want to be a tribe of good people somewhere in beautiful nature, it doesn't want to change the world, it doesn't want the world to change. It wants to have some fun and blow its head off in the weekend, not too far from home, and get back to everyday life as quickly as possible. I think that is what the article is about
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Very true and makes perfect sense, for me anyway.
I was at a festival this year, far from Israeli heat though. The thought of spending half week in the desert near Arad or worse, near Eilat makes me feel terribly unpleasant.
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On 2007-10-24 18:31, huga_generation wrote:
well, interesting topic indeed..
first, to take the acid joke so far from the real context just to make your points clearer, is just not a very smart way to debat, sarcastic maybe
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Guess I momentarily lost my good faith and spirit... hehe...
My point was that the fact that I think the trance community in Israel changed does not mean I lost my good faith and spirit.
My friedly jab at The Ace was on account of him being a chicken and not appearing to our dancefloor date set on a previous date ( http://forum.isratrance.com/my-last-progressive-thursday-the-maxim/page7/ )
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this is the 2000's tribe and not the 90's i gues, and this tribe show up every time there's a good rave around.
the fact is that the holy rave was produced by someone that most people just dont really know, at least not good as the last 3 production's i mentioned, he wasnt here (producing wise ) something like a decade, so the 2000 people that actually made all the way to timna is much more than suprize for me.
that my point of view about this...
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It's not just Timna, we all know what could have been done better in Timna, but the fact is that even if everything was done perfect it wouldn't have worked probably.
And the 2000s tribe didn't really show up at the TAZ, it didn't show up at Morison Drops. And I don't think that can be blamed on the organizers. It just didn't want to be there enough, for various reason I've already stated. What to do.
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huga_generation
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 14:42
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well, i think it's not only size that matters.
moksha or doof that brings mainstream psy music, lets say, brings 5000 people to their festivals., when there a festival with the main issue about music that is still quite unknown in our country. 2000 people is a sucsses in my opinion.
we just need not to take such a fact as something obious.
and about the morisson drops, well i wasnt there, and i'm sure those guys did a very good job,But, it still cannot be compared to the last other 3.
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the funny thing is..
that when u mention the "old school" ppl
and the genarations,is that es u culd see
most of the old school ppl came to moksha..
all so meny ppl and i meen MENY ppl from the
"good old days" was their. and when u refer to moksha venue es comertial venue u forget that
it was the most unpromoted festival this year..
with no topics in no comertial forumms (only one israely forum 150 ppl comunity) and no redio
promotion or tv or news papars...
so that meens big=commertial?
eny way,the ppl hed voted with their feet
old school,new school and all the rest and hed the time of their life!! |
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