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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 08:47
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I am sure that there are lots of artists that would give there unreleased tracks if they know that it's good enough! and then again only the good Stuff is undreground...
Spindrift i think if you contact the artist and ask in a normal way they would definately make you a cd! I mean i would for sure! |
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Karan Third Eye
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 09:09
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This myth about unreleased music is not always true , i mean usually the best produced and good quality trax of any genre do eventually get released , its only the experiments and personal secret trax that remain unreleased forever... if you wait long enough most of the good music does come out ... its just that once its out most people are not as 'horny' for it.. which is weird. I mean sure trance is about being underground ... but sholdnt it be just about good music ?
@ Spindrift : Bro i totally agree with you , about trance not being a million dollar business , its tough to make ends meet only on trance music , sure its a great baba life , but not all peopel can survive on this. and if it becomes all about the money and artists only start makign trax to make more money to survive then sometimes that spirit of trance and expression is totally lost. Most of the people and labels i know in trance have real day jobs just to pay the bills and make money to invest in their projects and labels so you know its coming from the heart and not the pocket!!!
@ Psyk : there sure are artists who are proud of their work or want to popularise their stuff , but for soemone to part with their musical art in top quality , would require allot of trust between you and the artist, ofcourse it does happen ... but relationships are required, cause in this age of file sharring and mp3 mafias ... your personal track you gave to your friend can become the next soulseek mega hit... so its a tough one bro.
thats my 2 cents
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Karan Third Eye
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 09:09
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sorry re-post .. please delete this one mods. ..:Coming soon to Third EYe Records:..
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 09:23
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 10:46
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@karan
I think most people that start involving in the trance "industry" do it out of love for the music, and not to make money. Let's face it, it's a stupid reason to get involved in trance.
What I don't understand though is that labels do their best to promote the idea that downloading is stealing, and is constantly complaining about bad sales.
If you are indeed so noble that you work a day job to pay for the expense of running a label, surely it would fit more with that attitude to not complain about some kids that don't have money to by loads of CD's but still want to keep upto date with the music.
And to say that all good music is released for me contradicts that you do it out of love.
I can't see why you would bother to run a label wihtout profit, if you think that the music would surely be released anyway.
At least most the label owners I know set up their labels because they found that the music they liked was not released.
I know that at least according to my taste anyway some of the best music is not released.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 11:28
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Well it seems to be obvious.. contact the artist directly and see what can be done with him !
I have already payed for a CDR directly from the artist.. Basically I told him that I had downloaded some of his tracks (that I enjoyed a lot) from compilations that I didn't enjoy enough to buy them..
And asked him to put me those track I like on a CDR and pay about 10 € to him.. That is good for me, as my investment is reliable (10 € for more than 5 tracks I like a lot).. And that is good for him, as nobody gets 10 € for the selling of an album by the labels..
So he accepted and added some so called unreleased stuff.. That I promized not to rip off... And I do make what I say. So that's why he trusted me and was right about it..
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 15:14
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whow.
nice to see that everybody in here is really thinking seriously about all that (the spirit and the motivation of musicmaking etc.)
Spindrift, once again, agree 100%
if we keep going on this way and spreading the open source underground idea all over, maybe next year or something will be good again and we´ll have left behind these difficult times of reformation process.
                 
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Karan Third Eye
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 19:30
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@Spindrift : boss perhaps you misunderstood what i was trying to say .. or maybe i shold be more clear in the way i was trying to say it.. firstly i am not one to complain about people downloading music , here in india due to high international cd prices as well as not much availablity and range of selection most people download the trax that they have. Its somethign you come to accept living here. However i would feel bad if before i releases an album or compilation those same trax were already on the internet. Once its released ofcourse then there is no stopping it... i mean if someone has not heard a track from my label and they want to i take the liberty of sending them the mp3 myself.. however i would not do that if the cd or trax were pending release.
I set up my label 2 years ago in a time of mp3 and file sharring prime , and the label has been surviving and supporting itslef , so i have nothing to complain about! the people who want to buy cds will alwyas buy .. mp3 just helps bring the music to more people and create awareness as long as it does not happen or take away from the impact of a pending release.
Sure at the end of the day we want music to reach as many people as possible .. . and ofcourse we have to embrace technology, as long as we are open to it and are smart about how to use it as a tool rather then a detterent then all should be ok.
That was the point i was tryin to make mate 
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 20:09
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@Karan boss
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. Maybe it's me who needed to be more clear. I didn't actually disagree with anything you said. The reason I adressed you was that I coudn't see the reasoning behind how people in the business can have the views they many times have and saying that you do it for love of the music.
I think it was nice to read that you are not part of the winching possee
I'm not fanatically agains labels, and think they can be a helpful element of the scene in some form.
What makes me very reluctant to support any labels at the moment is that many just seem to follow what the major big cheeze labels does and don't even try new ways.
The traditional model is not really working well in the underground scene for sure.
I really think that the major pop labels could have found more ways of keeping customers spending money with them.
To me it really seems that the major lablels is not really interested in maximum profit, but rather to maintain maximum control over what ppl listen to.
The records industry is really just a side business of huge weapon manufacturing companies, so they can afford lost sales if they want to.
And personally I don't want to release anything under the restrictive licensing that all trance labels use.
It's full stupid hipocracy to prohibit DJ from playing the tracks without permission.
And ppl giving away copies doesn't disturb me at all, I couldn't myself accuse any fan to be criminal that downloaded my track because of the $0.1 i lost on it....i think it's great if ppl do spread my music, so copying for non-profit should be allowed for all I can see.
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 22:20
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"copying for non-profit should be allowed for all I can see"
in which world mr spin?  hehe
did you understand me?... people will always copy for profit! not everybody, but some will....
i think the artists of the "underground" should just play their music at underground parites... the more they keep away from people the better it is
people are spoiled....
but then again, i think its just a few artists that really do it for the art and not recognition.. im not saying that its wrong to share, but you should always stay true and not get too carried away by fame and oversized compliments..(do i sense some "jante" mentality in my self now?)
anyway some jante mentality is good, it keeps people in "check " and it sometimes makes people think twice about their achievement...
and there is always a pseudo underground scen that just waits to get commercial...
its always a underground beneath the underground....
please dont kill me!
maybe somthing came out wrong in this text... but what the hell, i can always take it back later
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 22:49
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This is going really big..
God said "Let there be Light" and "There was Light" |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 22:54
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did you understand me?... people will always copy for profit! not everybody, but some will....
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Sure...thats the whole point.
There will always be copying.
The question is how much does it help to make it illegal whith the normal license terms.
Very little I belive.
Now if someone want to take someones work and earn money on it without paying it normally pisses the artists of, so thats why it's a common term in open license agreements to separate between profit and non-profit duplication.
And even if licensing terms is just blabla without any real effect, since the money at stake is not enough to pay lawers, I still think it's no point being hypocritical.
At least I cannot be the one throwing the first stone, because I have to admit to having used cracked software on occasion, and I listened pretty much only to cassette and DAT copies thru most of the 90's.
I am happy if my music gets spread, and I really don't mind if someone like to have a copy. I always just been giving music away.
So for me it only feels fair to release under open licensing.
If I don't really agree with it being illegal to make a copy or play it in public, then why should i accept that it's written on the CD that it is?
To please distributors and labels, which is the ones that according to my definiton of ripping off is the ones mainly doing that in this scene? (not all, but for sure it happens quite a bit)
Artists don't ripp off labels, fans downloading a tune don't ripp off the artist. The only ripp-offs is when artists is unpaid or underpaid by the label, or when someone sells the music for profit with out rights.
But of course the details of that get's to personal, hectic and nasty to discuss in a forum like this.
Now I'm not trying to throw shit on all lables, I know a few label managers I respect for what they do and their intentions, but I really think that there need to be a more relaxed attitude against how the system is nowadays, and attempts to look on ways to develop the functions of labels.
Triptocoma: I'm not following the "jante lag" reasoning you were having. Is it thinking high of yourself to share the music, rather than keeping it so you might release it on CD?
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 23:15
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 23:34
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nonono...we are sill talking about sharing wav or FLAC of course
Ok, my apologies for loosing the topic.
I'm always in there to provoc discussion in this subject, because i think it needs to be considered more, because still nothing really changed.
But for now I hold my peace, I said enough
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 00:08
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Spindrift, hey m8... i agree with you,
and i like your attitude...(we been speaking all night long in a party between örebro&karlskoga for some years ago, smoking spliffs and having a nice time, but i dont expect you to remember that,
you, jonas and kluster & miraculix played that night, it was a great spot with straw seats and a barrel with fire and of course that crazy dog from the karlskoga dudes was there... hehe)
now back to offtopic..
i might have gone a little out of line.. mixing different thoughts into one subject.. i see know how hard it would be to understand the shit i wrote, it would probably be easier to missunderstand...good that nobody has already..
some of my point was that its very easy for producers to fall into the depth of glory and forget the whole point why they started to make spiritual music(if you can call it that?) and thats probably offtopic.. so lets not care about it...
the other point was that some artists trust other peoples(record lables) word and say -okej man ill release this tune if you like it that much and say its gonna be a real hit... this is where the jante lag phenomenon comes to play... in the sense of: am i really that good, shouldnt i wait and see instead... ect ect... which i think is the best solution around all these record lables just trying to spot a new "star"
not all record lables of course.. but still the mentality is there and sometimes hidden.. who would admit anyway
sometimes artists gets stressed to release their music and that gives them a bad standing point for the future.... at least if they want to continue to be attractive in the commercial world....
the other point was that some people will never release a track to the public, they will just play it for their friends and at their parties... which is what i see as real underground.. almost untouchable.. if you arent a part of that circle...
the oposite is those that draw favour of the name underground and use it to get them selfs into the commerical market...
but of course there are people like you that wants to share and spread the vibe... but we all need food on the table so no one can blame those artists for releasing some of their best material...(thats how i think it should be) No fabrication just to get an album done fast... pure artists vision... no need to fall into a category and build all the tunes like a concept...
okej i hope i made my self a little more clear...
and lets all share... but treat those who share with some respect and dont treat it as its yours to do what you want with it... like some lables do with some artists tracks...
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