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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 22:31
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hey all. This summer in samothraki 03, as probabably most know the police entered the festival area and did some arrestings (drug problems). Well in the several times they came, there was only a bunch of people say between 20-30 protesting the police of the way they were handling the situation, and the way the organizers did not inform the crowd of this sad event of police entering. While our friends were being arrested, thousands of people on the main stage were still dancing of course not knowing the events. In my opinion, at large gatherings like this, we should be able to act more unified and as a real community, trying to advocate our rights. I'm not saying for the crowd to directly confront the external forces, but I was sad that so little people cared about what was going on. even a more unified protest against the police would have meant much more for me and also especially for those who got arrested. It should not be that easy to come and ruin everything by breaking the rights of individuals. Imo, the organizers and the crowd must work hand in hand in these instances and at least show "one voice" againt the distaste that is caused.
I just wondered about what you people think about this. do yo think that there can be anything done in instances like this, or should we just think that we are clean and dont have a problem so we should carry on skanking.
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 22:35
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Why is that? People were using and selling drugs. It's illegal. The police takes care of illegal stuff.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 23:16
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If you get an entire crowd to unify against police for arresting drug users/sellers, than what kind of image do you think that paints of the psy community?
Let them get the bad apples. |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 23:52
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yeahhh...i agree...its illegal....Unfortunatelly there is no special right for psytrance listeners to be dealers lolll 
I know the Samotraki cop reaction was a bit exagerated, but truth must be said that they were only doing their job....
In portugal many trance parties (at least the well organized ones) have cops, and they won't do anything unless they get you dealing, I think this is the way to go....
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PsYx
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 23:54
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Some years ago, I went to Excalibur in Germany.
On the camping-site thy were handing out pamflets witch said something like :
ACHTUNG DROGENKONTROLLE wich means something like, Caution beware of Drug-controlle
and some other german text....
The guy who handed it out (1 of the party-crew)
told me , while he gave me the flyer, that there will be no proper searching, but they had to hand out the flyers in order of the police...He smiled at me, saying : But you're from Holland, you probably have nothing anyway,do ya...???
I smiled back at him saying: Offcourse not !!!
The people who were searching, were from the party-crew itself...
Great trick to fool the Police...lol
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Rik
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 02:09
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On 2004-03-23 22:35, Mike A wrote:
Why is that? People were using and selling drugs. It's illegal. The police takes care of illegal stuff.
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I believe a girl was held for multiple days because they thought the guarana she had with her was heroin... except for a few alike cases people were actually breaking the law, and police action was justified... but the way they handled it was very poorly... to the frustration of all those subjected to the policebehaviour it was most unpleasant and very expensive (cash fines only?)
I personally think this is no reason to stop a festival though, and maybe start whatever extra trouble people could get into... www.psytracks.com :: Brand new website for sharing your psytracks with the world. Get a free 250Mb Artist profile, Blog and events calender!
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 02:38
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circle the law
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if everyone surround the police and the arrested people, so that the people close to the police can't make a way out and yet it is not up to the people around the cops that the police is trapped (since they are in turn pressed by the larger circle), then they have to let go of the victims and only then the crowd should part for them.
legalize it. and let me party.
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 03:53
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On 2004-03-24 02:38, psy wrote:
circle the law
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if everyone surround the police and the arrested people, so that the people close to the police can't make a way out and yet it is not up to the people around the cops that the police is trapped (since they are in turn pressed by the larger circle), then they have to let go of the victims and only then the crowd should part for them.
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And then one hour later you have a SWAT team coming and beating everyone....and with reason for it...
What happened in the Samotraki isn't a rule....actually I think things usually are quite chilled, and we should appreciate it, instead of criticising some exceptions that occur somtimes.
You have to take responsability for you actions, If you deal drugs, you have to accept there is a possibility you might be caught and arrested.
Even at samotraki, I know many ppl had problems and had to go to police station, some ppl even for some days, but I don't believe anyone has got arrested and jailed just for consumption (I mean really arrested, not 1 or 2 days in police station).... |
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 04:32
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well, in the instance of samothraki, from what I know the organizers made a deal with the police. that before arriving on the island, they could search people, (and they did it until the last point with dogs and every inch of your body) but after you entered the festival area, they should leave us alone. they break this contract, enter the people which are in or outside their tent. well what about those which are in the stages. should they be considered lucky just for not being in their tents in that moment. if they searched the whole festival area, it would be a disaster with probably 1 of the 2 people in the gathering ending up in jail.
also i dont believe it was an operation against the dealers. they somehow make their way with nothing happening.
well at least in these instances cant the organizers do something to help the situation. if it werent for the people warning everyone they see that the police came, probably %80 of the people wpuld not even know they are there, until maybe they get arrested too.
idea is, if you have a large group of people that mobilize and watch the events that go on, the police may act kinder to the supposingly criminals they catched, with handcuffs on their hands, being pushed around like they have killed someone. maybe a pressure for the police to really enforce the law and act according to what the individual human rights say.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 09:29
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pusher = jail
simple as that ! 
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a3k
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 11:45
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yeah, they are right...but do we see them hunt and search 4 great "drug dealers", like heroin or cocain...do we?it´s easy 2 go 2 a fest and do what they did...well we are there and so...i only want 2 see them caught the real dealers...those who destroy intire families etc...etc...
caught us?why?4 some joints...? 
cops get real...
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John
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 12:55
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As I understand it - what happened at SDF last year was the result of polictical goings on on the mainland - somebody up for re-election wanting to appear "tough" and so the massive and ridiculously heavy handed police operation.
The organisers were in a no win situation and I'm not sure what else they could have done (and they did have people going round trying to make people aware police were on site). |
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 14:21
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When people understand that festivals are for having fun and dancing and NOT for making money out of selling drugs then the police will not be such a big problem.
The problem starts from the inside of our community.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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ChoBo
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 16:10
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Get the drug dealers off the scene, the organisers should have already kept a close watch on them. It's obvious that the police would interfere if they had leaks on people taking drugs or the presence of drug dealers. Going against the police is perhaps the worst possible thing to do imho, if that had happened, there wont much "psy trance" parties in future, in particular..Samothraki. The police have the right to break the contract if drugs were present or if they knew. If only everyone was clean which i doubt so, then the police might just try not to interfere with the parties in future. The best single thing to do is not allow drug dealers to these parties which i think is inevitable but if everyone were to enjoy such parties , then they should unify to get these drug dealers out from the party. |
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Stash
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 16:46
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let the coppers do their job  and let them be satisfied bout their work
once they know the scene is clean they may not bother us so much and that wud help the psy community
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