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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 17:35:33
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You know the situations where during learning you use the tutorials:
Kick: take the sample (or make it from scratch), then add: eq, compressor, tape saturation, multiband compressor, exciter, transient shaper and you got a massive super hyper kick.
Same thing with bass: work 3 days work on synth then add 25 effects to channel.
You use these tips, but despite this, your bass and kick sound is still weak.
So... you are using a mastering tutorial (this must help for sure!):
compressor, multiband compressor, tape/tube saturator, eq, another compressor, multiband exciter, stereo enhancer and limiter.
And what we got? A BIG SH**T!
Everything sounds poorly, without energy, flattened, without a breath. The drama.
What is a cure for this? For good sounding track? F**k the tutorials!
Make simplify everything as much as possible.
Kick? EQ (maybe with compressor) is everything what you need. Same with bass: don't add sharp HP it kill your bass.
On mastering you only need a compressor with 1-2dB of reduction and limiter.
It took me many years of teaching, many times I used the tutorials that are in the vast majority a pure nonsense.
What you think about tutorials? ;P
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jsrobinson
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 18:33
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I think tutorials are useful, but you have to be able to distinguish between the subjective material that is made to taste, and information you can actually use.
There's a lot of good tutorials out there, and a lot of dross. |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 18:46
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Xsze
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 19:07
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I find tutorials a good start to begin with right clues and tips,save a lot off time,depends on what is tutorial about(tools,DAW's,programming,techniques etc...)
The best tips on kick&bass subject I found on this forum,I think that is the most discussed subject and forum is full of golden answers 
this topic is really great on that subject
http://forum.isratrance.com/domestic-bass-please-read-before-flaming/page2/
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 20:39
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 20:42
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 21:04
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Hi. I totally understand what you are saying.
You are right in a great ammount.
I recently watched this:
http://mrbillstunes.com/2011/05/11/the-skrillex-bass-sound/
Which is good but it amazes me how some guys use the ableton racks like if there was no tomorrow... stacking effects over effects and knob mapping 300 parameters.
I have written a couple of tutorials but I try to teach only what it has taken a lot to learn in my personal experience.
My tuts are more like general advice but i have no releases just like to share... stuff that you wouldn't find anywhere else.
Some of the best psy advices are just tiny tips that can change the way one works or listens. Those tuts i like... but yeah there's a lot of crap.
There are some tuts however that changed my life... thanks to guys like tom cosm, andy vax and billy cosmosis.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 21:35
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True. People think that the "big names" sit months on tweaking the bass. However, when talking with them personally, it turns out that everything they do in a simple fast way.
I see that psytrance really don't need too much of process, many times clean bass (saw+filter) sounds 10x times better than with couple of fx.
Now i'm just use eq on channel (i don't talk about special mod fx) and clipper/limiter/comp on synths channels and now my tracks sounds much better that old ones.
I know one gold tip: when source is good (synth/sample) then you don't hhave much to do. Just right volume, pan & eq
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 23:06
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I think it has a lot to do with personal growth and experience in this activity.
It is easy for starters to wish there was something that would magically enhance your mix to pro quality, first you think it is compressors, then maybe you want it to be some hardware unit or that just released plugin with the gorgeous text description that you don't have in your 999 vst folder.
Is just after a lot of trial and error that one begins to understand what to tweak to sound like this or that... and most of the times it is about sound sources and simple chain fx... is not that experimenting other techniques won't yield nice results too but yeah, most of the time its about knowing what you want to do.
Only time and practice will provide your brain with the skills to analyze sound the right way but sometimes one can learn this from looking at other people work at the daw and some videotuts provide this advantage. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 28, 2011 23:08
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BTW great to heave you here... maybe you can throw in some more advice like the ones already posted. After all there are also some special tools / techniques than can provide that special something to one's mixes. |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Dec 29, 2011 00:02
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makus
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Posted : Dec 29, 2011 00:29
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On 2011-12-28 17:35:33, Alien Bug wrote:
You know the situations where during learning you use the tutorials:
Kick: take the sample (or make it from scratch), then add: eq, compressor, tape saturation, multiband compressor, exciter, transient shaper and you got a massive super hyper kick.
Same thing with bass: work 3 days work on synth then add 25 effects to channel.
You use these tips, but despite this, your bass and kick sound is still weak.
So... you are using a mastering tutorial (this must help for sure!):
compressor, multiband compressor, tape/tube saturator, eq, another compressor, multiband exciter, stereo enhancer and limiter.
And what we got? A BIG SH**T!
Everything sounds poorly, without energy, flattened, without a breath. The drama.
What is a cure for this? For good sounding track? F**k the tutorials!
Make simplify everything as much as possible.
Kick? EQ (maybe with compressor) is everything what you need. Same with bass: don't add sharp HP it kill your bass.
On mastering you only need a compressor with 1-2dB of reduction and limiter.
It took me many years of teaching, many times I used the tutorials that are in the vast majority a pure nonsense.
What you think about tutorials? ;P
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Nothing can beat ur ear, if u have it. If u can make the GREAT track without learning, just by ur ear, do that. If u can't - learn, study, experiment, wait and after several years u gonna catch the first results.
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orgytime
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Posted : Dec 29, 2011 01:35
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ansolas
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Posted : Dec 29, 2011 02:14
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jekvan
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Posted : Dec 29, 2011 02:24
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Well,it is kinda clear that "art" is subjective.Technical matters on the other hand are set and facts of life.
I usually watch technical tutorials those days,it is much more fun then reading the tutorial.How operate the DAW and what button does what and all that and whatnot. Or how to do specific sounds (thought,in that matter,everyone has his different way,and you can do any sound by infinite number of techniques,some easier,some harder).
Beyond that ,youtube is full of tutorials which made by folks who are teh shit,and are infact,shit.
From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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