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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 11:41
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On 2011-08-15 11:38, Nndmt wrote:
willsanquil, the reason you are not specifically debunking anything is because you can't find anything to debunk, it stands up to both quantum mechanics and experience. You only instinctively disagree with it because it goes against your previous notions.
Yes, the brain is involved with various neurotransmitters, not just serotonin. But all the other non-tryptamine neurotransmitters deal with other aspects of cognition, not perception.
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Sorry, I don't agree with you. That's the end of my discussion with you on this matter, it's not going anywhere.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 11:43
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On 2011-08-15 11:40, willsanquil wrote:
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On 2011-08-15 11:37, disco hooligans wrote:
And by teh way DMT is brilliant but fuck me if you can interpret the experience afterwards and remember every second of the 15minutes of that outter space ride.
Peace out.
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With time and experience you can hold on to more of it. Keep at it 
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Well I stopped keeping at it for a while, I am prone to getting sucked into things like that which don't get along with the respensibilities of my every day life, not because of DMT as my body will have gotten rid of it within the hour, but my tolerance to saying no to the rest of the candy in a party, is indeed very small...once a year in a field at most and that's it.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 11:46
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Sorry, I don't agree with you. That's the end of my discussion with you on this matter, it's not going anywhere. |
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Why? This whole thread hasn't been going anywhere for 8 pages and you have been beating the dead horse, at least I introduced something novel and worthy of discussion as it relates to "the physicality of trance states", psychedelics, and this music. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 11:47
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On 2011-08-15 11:40, disco hooligans wrote:
Ok, I'll rephrase. If I met you on some dancefloor, away from all this isra jibberish and asked you, "will mate what puts you in a state of trance and why?" I am positive that you would give me an answer, as you already know what puts you in a state of trance, music wise especially...would you not?
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Actually - no.
I would certainly be able to tell you what music I like, what music I like dancing to. I could tell you what I appreciate about x y and z music from an engineering point of view, from a dancer's point of view, from a listener's point of view...
I may be able to recount some times in the past where I've tranced out to this or that artist or DJ, or times that have been exceedingly epic and super-badass where I was really high and the snow was chromatic pink and I felt connected to the universe, blah blah derp derp
However, I definitely don't understand why. Why is it that certain types of music trance me out and certain types don't? I don't know. I would love to. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 11:51
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Sorry, I don't agree with you. That's the end of my discussion with you on this matter, it's not going anywhere. |
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This whole thread hasn't been going anywhere for 8 pages, at least I introduced something worthy of discussion as it relates to "trance states" and this music.
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Which music "dark psy", "prog", "psy-trance", "goa", "enterownsubgenrename"?
You see these styles are so massively different where there not one thoery that you may introduce that will hold its ground for all of them. Which what we've been saying here, which means that you haven't introduced something that is actually related to the essence and intricasies that each style presents, or lacks.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 11:55
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I'm building up to that 
I mentioned that dark psy was designed to be heard on psychedelics, from higher dimensional minds. You also said that on psychedelics, any music is trance inducing, which also relates to what I said about hearing music from a higher dimensional perspective.
Dark psy, in contrast to other forms of music, was designed specifically for doing just that - quantum surfing. It doesn't sound (or should I say "look") like it's intended to sound from sober ears. Other forms of trance were intended to be listened to from sober ears (or mdma, but I dont consider that psychedelic because it still uses serotonin), and that divides those who listen to it for tripping and those who listen to it for trancing. |
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 11:55
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On 2011-08-15 11:47, willsanquil wrote:
However, I definitely don't understand why. Why is it that certain types of music trance me out and certain types don't? I don't know. I would love to.
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Because of the experience you have had and because you grew to love this music enough and wired your inner self to these states. Maybe you don't remember when exactly, but you know at some point it happened? I am speaking for my self here, but its a basic pattern of human behaviour...liking things that you actually like.
that is my theory
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:05
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@DH - I don't agree with you. My first trance experience was at age 18, at my first psytrance festival. I didn't even listen to psytrance outside of that festival at the time - hell, I had only listened to a tiny bit before that, and it would be a couple of years yet until I was listening to psytrance often. There was just *something* about that particular moment in time that allowed me to access that state. Was it the music? The people? The drugs? All of them?
I see what you're saying, that our musical preferences are incredibly important when it comes to trance states. You can't exactly trance out if you're hating what you're hearing and are distracted by your dislike - liking it definitely makes it easier...
I found a really interesting website, it talks a lot about brain waves, shamanic techniques...it even mentions goa trance!!!
http://psychedelic-information-theory.com/What-is-Shamanism
Shit, it doesn't say anywhere in here that darkpsy sucks. Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn 
@nndmt - That's pretty cool that you know all the darkpsy producers in the world well enough to say exactly what they're designing their music for.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:05
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On 2011-08-15 11:55, Nndmt wrote:
I'm building up to that
I mentioned that dark psy was designed to be heard on psychedelics, from higher dimensional minds. You also said that on psychedelics, any music is trance inducing, which also relates to what I said about hearing music from a higher dimensional perspective.
Dark psy, in contrast to other forms of music, was designed specifically for doing just that - quantum surfing. It doesn't sound like it's intended to sound from sober ears. Other forms of trance were intended to be listened to from sober ears (or mdma, but I dont consider that psychedelic because it still uses serotonin)
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Well I would say bollocks to that in the least offending way. If you asked me about what dark psy was designed for we would have 10+ pages of more pointless arguing.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:08
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@nndmt - That's pretty cool that you know all the darkpsy producers in the world well enough to say exactly what they're designing their music for. |
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The artists don't actually have to know what they make the music for. They could be pioneers of something and have no idea what they're getting into, simply puppets for carrying out "god's" will. Only the self transforming machine elves know dark psy's true purpose
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:09
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On 2011-08-15 12:05, willsanquil wrote:
@DH - I don't agree with you. My first trance experience was at age 18, at my first psytrance festival. I didn't even listen to psytrance outside of that festival at the time - hell, I had only listened to a tiny bit before that and never on a big system. I see what you're saying, that our musical preferences are incredibly important when it comes to trance states. You can't exactly trance out if you're hating what you're hearing - liking it definitely makes it easier...
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Sure but you really liked when you heard it, even if it was the first time. You got initiated into what is going to be the best thing in your mind for getting into a trance state. And as you said preferences are very important about music that will get you into a trance state. It is that on which I am saying, love music enough and it will take you places.
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:10
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@nndmt - That's pretty cool that you know all the darkpsy producers in the world well enough to say exactly what they're designing their music for. |
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The artists don't actually have to know what they make the music for. They could be pioneers of something and have no idea what they're getting into, simply puppets for carrying out "god's" will. Only the self transforming machine elves know dark psy's true purpose
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+1
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:26
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I think the only way to do this is with science.
It would be fun.
Take 1,000 people randomly from all over the world for each type of music you want to test, preferably ones that have never had exposure to electronic music or drugs.
Now, does them all with LSD. Now play them music.
One group gets darkpsy, one gets polka, one gets progressive, on and on.
Monitor their brain waves. See which group on gets more tranced on average
Obviously very important work needs to be done. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:28
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Posted : Aug 15, 2011 12:43
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I would bet dark psy ^^
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