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To the Record Labels and Online Record Stores ... .

Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 13:13
I once asked this question in another thread, but with zero responce. So here goes nothing..


Do you think the psychedelic music online stores ever will get a "free shipping service"? I would shurly buy 3 times more records then. I use Play.com like a shop'a'holic for DVD's ect.

My problem with psyshop.com, trance-shop.com ect ect is that in Norway, if you buy products on the internet for over 24.3487 Euro. I have to pay taxes for them (25%) So then it's hard for me to get payed from my job and blow 100 Euro + on one order.. (there are lots of countries with the same problem i guess)
Because I dont wanna pay 100 Euro + 25% tax on one order you know. And I don't wanna pay shipping for 8 separate cd's.


At play.com I can buy 10 cd's and they all will come in "many" packs that are worth max 24.3487 Euro pr pack. So if I buy 10 DVD's where 1 DVD is worth 20 Euro, I get 10 packs NO SHIPPING FEES! And I dont have to pay 25% in taxes


Now for the million dollar question

What if all ("some of" is more realistic) of the psymusic shops form one "super" shop that could offer free shipping like play.com?

Wouldnt this work with enough thoughts put into it? I bet most people would shop at this super store, just because of the free shipping.
And you all know how big play.com is because of the free shipping service

Yes, i know play.com is a commercial site with more to offer. But i'm talking about a "super psyshop" with DVD's, CD's, Clothes (t-shirts from labels ect) and other things that are offered today.

thank you for listeing to my weird but interesting question

-psytones
karnaf
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 13:25
is this a promo for play.com???

I think that the main problem is volume... how many trance fans actually buy their music? most CDs sell out a few hundreds of copies, no more.
Also, in many cases, the prices in play.com aren't cheaper, which means the shipping costs are included in the CD price without you "knowing" about it.


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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 13:33
hehe.. yeah, i got to admit that i am in love with play.com

hmmm..? Silly me, I thought we bought and supported our artists. I have said it before, it's ok to download (i do it my self) but people should buy the albums they like. I my self has bought 7 cd's so far on my paycheck from work. I do this every month, DL, then buy. (i used psyshop, trance-shop and chaosunlimited this time)

I guess people are regulary lying about them buying not DL, people shout, "dont Dl, buy!!" But the truth is often that the ones asking us to stop DL'ing is the ones that are DL.

Of cource, i dont expect kids/people at school ect to get poor of buying albums. But if you got the money and the music interest, then buy. And what is better then to have a original cd of your favourite act?
EYB
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 13:35
Psytones now u have outed urself as part of the MP3-Mafia            Signature
Pt.
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 13:39
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On 2005-01-28 13:35, EYB wrote:
Psytones now u have outed urself as part of the MP3-Mafia




I have?? (dont really get what you mean, please explain under a offtopic sign

*I would like some real answers and dicussions, so please try to stay on topic if possible*

(I just find this question to be very interesting, i belive it could be done)
Pavel
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 13:49
Play.com don't ship to Israel.
I don't like them
I prefer Saikosounds. For non-Israeli material it's cheaper than Tower Records here in Israel even imcluding the shipping. Recently they raised the prices for foreigh CDs. I saw Younger Brother album for 99 Shekels which is approx 18 euros or 22$ which is 7$!!! more than what i'd pay in Saikosounds. The shipping is approximately 4$, not to mention that Tower Records is exactly near my house.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 15:18
I do not like big supershops.
Sure none of the psy shops stock absolutley all releases, but they seem to stock most allready.
For me psyshop, saikosounds etc. is "super" in that they have a quite complete assortment.

In my opinion I would rather see more self-distributed labels, like schlabbaduerst, devilsmind or nabi.
With labels like that you would pay less than buying from a shop and still end up with more money for the artists and label.
And that seems to be the main argument to actually buy CD's in the first place.
Less convienient for the customer maybe...but....

Personally I'm only interested in a handful of labels and it would not be such a big problem to visit those directly to make my order.
And I like the feeling of seing a bunch of releases that I am interested in when visiting a site, not have to dive thru a lot of progressive, house and techno to get to the stuff I'm keen on.

As things stand now with distibutors and shops making more money on each CD than artists and label together I don't feel very encouraged to actually buy CD's.

There is really a huge difference how much you contiribute if you buy directly from a label.
Normally we are talking less than 2 euro for the label and artists to share when going via distibutors and shops.
The distributor pay about 6 euro to the label per CD, the rest goes to pressing, mastering and artwork.
If you now would buy it for 10 euro directly from the label we are instead looking at 6 euro for the label and artist to share.

That means that even if the label sell for a low price like that you actually pay a few euro less but still contribute 300% more to the people who really deserve the money IMO.

So, if you like to support, buy from self distributed labels.

One good thing about psyshop and siako is that they do buy from self distibuted labels as well, wich means that at least the distributors can be bypassed.

That is great, not only because of economical reasons but also because what CD's is available is no longer in the hands of some 3-4 individuals working for a distribution company, which has been the reality previously.

Sorry psytones for the off-topic
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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 15:44
Thats ok Leo

But what you said about buying my albums directly from the label I haven't really thought about that before so thanks for the hint. I will do that next month

But still, if my "idè" would be thought throu and done cleverly. I guess that it could acctuly work... To bad i'm living in a dream world where PLUR still means something, right?.. Stupid me thought that PLUR could infiltrate the capetalistic side of the psytrance scene as well.. Guess Money still is king.

(in my mind, my idè would acctuly give the labels, online shops and artists more money .. because of more costumers. And the costumers would come because of free shipping!) Karnaf's point kinda destroys my idè thou!
Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 17:19
Aboslutley, I'm not dissing your ide, my comments was quite unreleated.
Hence the apology for the off-topic.

One thing that is good with not too big shops though would be that they could have a easier time buying from self-distibuted labels.
I doubt too big shops would like to spend time dealing with all the various labels.
Thats really one of the reasons we have distributors in the first place.

But from what I understand your problem is not really with the size of the shops, but tax and delivery issues.
I don't really see how one mega shop would change that.
It's just a matter of policy.

Of course play.com can get a better deal on shipping than saikosounds, but I doubt that would be very difference even if psyshop, chaosunlimited and saikosounds would go together. Like Karnaf said, the volumes is still too small when we are talking trance music.

But have you contacted the shops you buy from and asked if they can send it as individual parcels?
You might pay a bit more for delivery that way, but probably pay less in the end if they can help you avoid tax.           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 17:44
Quote:

On 2005-01-28 17:19, Spindrift wrote:
send it as individual parcels?
You might pay a bit more for delivery that way, but probably pay less in the end if they can help you avoid tax.




this is what i'm doing today.. And yes..
What Karnaf said... Agree, that makes everything fall apart I guess..


But i'm still wondering what the rcord labels, shops ect. has to say about my "brilliant" idè
chris organic
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 01:04
We offer free shipping on all our releases to anywhere in the World. We always have.

And we will make sure the packages are small enough to avoid Taxes.

SO if you're interested, check out http://www.organicrecords.net and while you're there, pre-order a copy of the Tsunami Benefit Cd - shipping included!
tokyokid
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Posted : May 19, 2005 23:10
hey psytones,

your dream become reality: www.psySale.com

Free world wide delivery! No shipping costs!

no hidden shipping costs, you pay same 10.99 euro as in psyshop but u get free shipping by airmail.

and to avoid taxes like for example to norway we make customs stickers on the packages, so no need to split the orders if its not more than 10cds
DeathPosture
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Posted : May 20, 2005 11:28
Quote:

On 2005-05-19 23:10, tokyokid wrote:
hey psytones,

your dream become reality: http://www.psySale.com

Free world wide delivery! No shipping costs!

no hidden shipping costs, you pay same 10.99 euro as in psyshop but u get free shipping by airmail.

and to avoid taxes like for example to norway we make customs stickers on the packages, so no need to split the orders if its not more than 10cds




Nice one Tokyokid!

So are you shifting all your tranceshop.com activities to psysale.com?
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Pavel
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Posted : May 20, 2005 13:49
As an answer to Spindrift's remark on Labels selling their own material:
Twisted Records sell their cds/vinyls at their web site with outrageous price tags. I don't know how Psyshop/Saiko and even the local Tower Records manage to sell for less. The economy behind that just evades my mind.
As for Psy-sale: It looks great but so far very limited stock...
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 20, 2005 14:39
@pavel
The reason for example Twisted charge more than many shops is that if you operate with the regular distribution system you cannot undercut the shops.
If you do that there is not much point for the the distributors and shops to buy in CD's from you and try to sell them at a higher price.

Otherwise we would for sure seen a lot of labels selling CD's directly for lower prices with more money going to the labels and artists.
But now it's an either or situation.
You have to sell in shops via distributors if you want high volumes but get very little money in the end even if prices is high to the customer.
If you instead run a label as self-distributed it seems very hard to sell enough CD's.

Self-distributed labels means a better deal for artist, label and consumers.
But it requires more effort from consumers/labels to find/promote the music so it's hard to make it work it seems like, unfortunally.           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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