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There were Live Acts at Goa?
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Janux
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Posted : Apr 1, 2006 14:00
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@ spiritual mind.
If you read my post properly, you will realize that all I am saying is that there are many styles of music and all have their place.
not every party is going to satisfy every person.
yes i have def. been to parties in Goa where the music was nothing special, but thats an opinion just like yours would be.
In my 20 seasons in goa, (beginning with my dad playing at parties with Gill in the early days) I have heard every kind of complaint and praise about the scene that is possible.
everything changes & nothing changes, live with it.
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Spiritual_mind
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Posted : Apr 1, 2006 23:06
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Dont know how you can find that sort of music Psychedelic...
20 years or 2...there is One sort of music...
Electronic.
If your Dad's Cousin Sister's rat played with Goa Gill's mouse, it doesnot make you special.
Instead it raises the expectations from you. Live up to it.
Everything neednot be Dark/Night/Killer...
But it should be Electric.
There is no Electricity in 3rd Eye's music.
Am quite helpless caz of the fact that these guys have the right connections to pull of a party....And then look at the sort of music these guys go on to play.
For the uninitiated, heres a quick recap.
Are you guys aware of the fact that until around 300 years back, the entire history of the Earth, let alone our species, didnot know how to truly exploit electricity.
Think about it...
The Earth is popularly accepted to be around 4.5 billion years old.
Our Species, the Homo sapiens, are estimated to be around 0.1 million years old.
(We evolved from other species like Homo erectus, Neanderthals etc)
It was our species that lead the charge to become wiser...stronger....explore...question....
The Greeks, around 2600 years back first discovered this 'charge' being formed when Amber was rubbed with Fur......
And this 'Charge' remained a mystery for another 200 Decades!!!!!
So you have this charge, which we dont know what to do with, for 2000 years, and along comes Benjamin Franklin who discovered Electricity....
He could have very well been killed during his experiments...
Such are the great hardships which humanity has had to face in order to get where it is today....
And now we accept it...just like that..
Am an electronic Junkie. Pun intended.
And We have evolved.....
And So has the Music.....
We cannot be expected to listen to such lame music on a constant basis....
I...We...respect your choice..
We appreciate that you enjoy sweet music.
Its you ears and brains after all.
But we cannot be subjected to such measly standards.
Play morning, but play Psychedelic.
Play Electric.
Respect Humanity.
Boom.
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Analyzer
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Posted : Apr 2, 2006 01:14
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"For the uninitiated, heres a quick recap."
Buddy you say this and then u diss Janux for claiming to be special. Quite hypocritical dont you think.... ironic IMO.
Your opinion of 3rd eye has nothing to do with the topic at hand... live acts in Goa.
Ive taken physics 101.. I know what happens when I comb the hair in my butt crack and bring paper next to it. Thank you for the recap tho.
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On 2006-03-31 21:50, Raoul V wrote:
as someone with an opinion abt trance u should keep in mind that tastes differ...wat u think is killer i probably wouldnt even bother listening to and vice versa...
third eye and edge pull in the biggest crowds for their gigs in bbay?? why?? cuz pepole like the music !!
one can appreciate your tastes may differ, and im sure your gonna reply saying oh the parties are commercial crap whatever...
spread positive vibes, if u dont like something doesnt mean its crap, means it differs from ur tastes...
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Third eye draws a crowd because Bombay is desperate.
Im from Bombay.
Outdoor 2006?? buddy wadias days are gone... essence x hasnt raised there head in years...
The Doc is not to be seen...
Private scenes are like social events...
Also its the growing audience... no disrespect to being new to the scene.. but the divide between the raver and the Indian Psy listening populus is known to people here in America.
Also.. I prolly cannot confirm this but I do firmly believe that the longer your into the stuff the more our opinions will converge: "TASTES will not differ"
"Killer" is standard
We will go Dark.
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Spiritual_mind
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Posted : Apr 2, 2006 08:54
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I rest my case...
Peace. And lots of Darkness.
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Raoul V
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Posted : Apr 3, 2006 11:49
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I know this is now approched off topic area.... but..
bbay is desperate??
more parties in bbay 2006 than any other indian city i believe, accross all styles...
as far as the longer u've been in the scene u automatically listen to the dark... i dont agree at all... been listening to trance for monkeys years, and i've always with a passion loved morning sounds... and detested 150 bpm kindzaaza/highko/cosmo type music.. but i contribute that to a diff in taste...
yes jeh, essence and doctor serephana are nowhere to be seen...
jeh is running an airline, essence x is out of the party org, and dr serephana - i never new he threw parties in bbay - thought those were all tool!!
but digital distortion, nokturnal wizardz, beyond logic, ttr, designer hippies and third eye are still here.. and im sure between these orgs you'd find a style u like 
bbayis desperate my ass!! you just need to look a little, and not live in the past!!
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THIRD EYE RECORDS
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Posted : Apr 3, 2006 12:06
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On 2006-03-31 20:42, Spiritual_mind wrote:
@ Jehan
Bombay DJs, especially 3rd Eye, plays Crap.
You couldn't sit, you couldn't talk,you couldn't dance,you couldn't move,you couldn't laugh, you couldn't cry, you couldn't smoke...nothing!!!
You couldnt do a thing with the kind of music our main man from 3rd Eye plays.
Now thats what I call 'Diabetic' music...it was Bland, non Psychedelic, Utterly Rubbish!
Its like the sort you feel like having a spicy meal after.
'Club' it with the other Russian residential DJ who stays in Goa.
This culture has evolved.....
We can't have chocolate boys taking us through journeys which leads us to nowhere.
And the problem is that all the new people think that this is it!!!!
Sorry my friend...We'll pass.
And as will many others.
What DJs we have in Goa.
What Story tellers.
What Humans.
What Ability.
What Strength.
What Skills.
What Visions.
Above ALL!!!!!
What Choice.
3rd Eye is Shut!!
Open!
For the Universe comes to an End when it does.
Boom!
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Woooohooooooo
looks like we have a hot one in here tonight!
@ Spiritual Mind : Dood i have no idea who you are or what your issue is? We were simply discussin in this thread about live acts in goa. but for some reason you have decided to air your grievences against me.
and to be honest mate... good for you!!! judging from how worked up you seem to be about it i think you needed to vent out some of that frustration . and hope you do feel better.
as for your opinion of what i play.. man its about taste and personal selection. i judge my sets from the response of the people and they give me good energy so im happy. I would love to see you play and perhaps i can appreciate your personal taste as well.
trance is not my life (i work running plastics manufacturing companies around india) , it is my love and i love what i do and what i play. and no frustrated opinion of a 'little' man who hides behind an isra trance ID will ever change that. im sorry that your jelousy , ego and personal issues have gotten the better of you my friend. but if your a man please call me and tell me what you think of me.. rather than ruin a perfectly good topic which was being discussed here. my number is +919820296978
if i did not know better i would say your words mimic those of a friend of mine called dash.. but like a true friend he says it to me.. and doesnt hide behind isratrance like you
anyway have a nice day.. and may the universe shower all its love onto you with grace and beauty.
ciao ciao brown cow
bom
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p.s. for such an old timer your claim to be.. and abusing the new people who have come into the scene. why dont all here take a look at this post
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/29696/forum/36
Spiritual_mind : Seen just two seasons.... last year was more full on...i agree about the crowd....more freaks..less attitude....hope the next season is more peaceful....n that parties actually HAPPEN!
Peace
So mate speak the truth or dont speak at all! bom
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gaspard
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Posted : Apr 3, 2006 15:58
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ajja (half of yab-yum)played his solo live act this year in goa. with lap-top, midi controller + guitar and effects!
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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full_on
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Posted : Apr 3, 2006 19:20
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Please stop with the offtopic, this topic is about who made Live Acts in Goa.
Thank you for the ones who are adding real info.
Respect!
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superman
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 02:21
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goa is not a place !!
goa is a state of mind 
Let The Game Begin.... |
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Janux
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 20:45
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in terms of Live acts in Goa, I've basically seen none.... there are claims to some live acts, but its a matter of how 'live' were they? www.facebook.com/DjJanux |
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 18, 2007 22:02
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On 2006-03-28 19:32, full_on wrote:
PLEASE stay ON TOPIC and go fight about what is a Live act elsewhere, there are zillions of thread about it.
A lot of people say that "Goa had the best vibes", so in this topic I want to be sure if there were Live Acts in Goa. If not, this suggests that Live Acts are a product of the commercialization of the psytrance music genre, since the Lives are not necessary to create the best vibes.
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Any more info on "Live Acts at Goa"?
Respect!
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dE.Tonatik
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cacofonix
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full_on
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cacofonix, I'm not sure if I understand your question, my English is not the best around.
As usual I'm only after the real facts. Knowing more pieces on the puzzle makes it easier to understand its whole picture even without seeing it.
What I wanted with this topic is to get some more evidence (just avoiding using the word "proof" here) of that I quoted in my last post and I'm quoting here again.
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On 2006-03-28 19:32, full_on wrote:
A lot of people say that "Goa had the best vibes", so in this topic I want to be sure if there were Live Acts in Goa. If not, this suggests that Live Acts are a product of the commercialization of the psytrance music genre, since the Lives are not necessary to create the best vibes.
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Back at the "Goa age" the vibe was incredibly positive, people were focused in having fun and enjoying theirselves and their psychedelic experiences in a "healthy" ambient were most other people were trying to do the same. There was no Live Acts by many reasons already pointed in this topic.
In my opinion, back that time is was very expensive to "have" a Live Act, because you'd need at least a computer which was very expensive, if it was a Laptop it would be REALLY expensive.
Today it is cheaper to have a laptop than a pair of Pioneer CDJs, a decent mixer and good earphones. So hardwarewise it is easier to setup a Live Act at your home than a DJ set.
In parallel today's party organizers use and abuse of the names of the artists (read Live Acts) to attract all kind of public to their huge parties. Contrary to the old free Goa parties, the only thing you need to qualify to get inside these huge parties is money.
IMO starting slowly at 2000 and at full speed today there is a movement in which a lot of people want to produce psytrance, mainly with the goal of playing in front of big crowds. You wouldn't believe how many people ask me daily to change their status to blue (artist) and how many of them don't qualify because they have no released track on their own and get very pissed at me.
Again IMO and with all due respect to the good artists, this is the result of the over-commercialization of our scene, the increased demand for Live acts, not for the quality of their music, but for their ability of attracting more crowd.
This thread really suggests that Live Acts are not needed, but they became necessary in the commercial party model existent today.
This is the same party model that reduced the time of the DJ sets to sometimes less than one and half hour, not to mention the ridiculous one hour Live Acts. Why? So that they can squeeze more "big names" on their line ups and make even more money at the expenses of the quality and flow of the music. There's absolutely no other reason why DJ sets should be shorter than 3 hours.
Also the other topic opened by me and totally related to my ideas about the current status of our scene ( http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/112719/forum/1 ) shows with undeniable numbers that it is impossible to artists to survive exclusively from the sales of their music, this encourages all artists to get other jobs or to have a huge booking agenda.
And to make things worse, the party promoter's marketing already convinced most people that Live Acts and huge Line Ups are important and necessary for a good party. A lot of people go to parties because of the "famous artists" on the line up, they build expectations around this and worse: when it come the hour of the famous Live Acts these people are usually full of drugs that impairs their senses making them unable to objectively evaluate the music. The result: every party is the best party ever.
Once more IMO this already destroyed a good part of the vibe in many places around the world, and what is worse is that some people in places with small scenes and great vibes are under the illusion that they "are lacking" something compared with other places, because they still don't have big Live Acts. This is a dangerous illusion which has the potential to destroy what they still have.
Respect! .
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Spindrift
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Very well said full_on...Respect!
Not only was laptops expensive back in the early 90's....you could not do more than sequence MIDI with them.
Sure someone could have brought their hardware to the moist and dust to play live, but I don't think it would been have been appreciated.
Usually it was just a couple of DJ's playing the whole party trying to make it into a continuous story, and someone appearing to play a couple of hours in the middle of it all would not been appreciated I think.
And today when it's a lot easier from a technical perspective to actually perform live most "live" acts is just premixed set of tracks with an extra sound or two on top.
So it's really actually less interaction with the audience going on than with a DJ set.
IMO live acts only fill the following purposes:
Promotion for the artists.
Bringing more people to the party.
Ego-boost for the artist.
In a way it's nice that artists can get that promotion and ego-boost...it can help motivate them to produce music.
But as a party-goer my preference is a line-up with only DJ sets that is at least 6hrs each.
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