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"The security is not going to be friendly with you" tell me your opinion ppl!
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yellow1
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Posted : Oct 23, 2004 14:45
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On 2004-10-23 13:11, Alex Roudos wrote:
But at the same time the behaviour of the security are strictly pro and kind. And the same stands when they find you using drugs(not joints of course) inside. They ask you very politely to please leave the club or the event. They call you "Sir" and they never touch you(unless you resist and get aggressive). They just escort you outside the club and that's all.
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eternal motion - SG
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Posted : Oct 23, 2004 17:13
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xrtc
My position as a promoter doesn't allow me to support even an out door joint.I suggest
tequila or tsipuro wich are very psychedelic drinks 
Regarding our policy,well...this is not amsterdam and unfortunately ppl here are now getting familiar with party protection.SO i will give you a simple example:one guy was smoking.The security throw him out.He was beging to re enter and he did..what followed?He smoked again within 10 minutes.
What i am trying to say is that Greek ppl are a strange kind to deal with ,and we are trying to find their "buttons"
This guy was slaped finally.Security are human beings and in situations like the one mentioned,they lose their temper,and we fully support them.
It is obvious that this guy was trying to act like a heavy balled mucho man,and sorry,he got what he deserved.
I can not mention ever more serious incidents
cause i will expose the security plan.
Yellow don't even think to compare amsterdam with Greece.They can smoke inside clubs,something that we will not allow by anymeans at our events.
Stop mentioning about the toilets cause most of the security success,is taking place there.
You are at a trance party where anything can happen and you should know this by the first time.If your friend was shocked he can go somewhere else to have fun.
This is the underground music scene my friend.If you know what i mean
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Posted : Oct 23, 2004 17:57
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On 2004-10-23 17:13, eternal motion wrote:
This guy was slaped finally.Security are human beings and in situations like the one mentioned,they lose their temper,and we fully support them.
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Tottally Unacceptable.
No one has the right to slap anyone in any place no matter the reason.
If you want to be PROFESSIONALS refuse admission FOR EVER to everyone who gets caught smoking or consuming drugs in your club.
Supporting violent solutions is as illegal as the guys action of smoking a joint into your party....
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eternal motion - SG
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Posted : Oct 23, 2004 18:39
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If we want to be professionals we will not ask you how to do this detox 
What is totally unacceptable is the situation that previous organisers left as a heritage to all of us
What is totally unacceptable is to allow a kid fulling a totaly professional organisation,taking advandange of the security's good will.
5 ppl arguing with us at this forum are not enough to convice me for what a right policy is,to CLEAN the mess from our beautiful scene.At least at e motions events.
If i am wrong i will be judged for my actions
in the long or short run .I am not going to kiss asses to have 50-100 tickets more...
I have to go at neraida temple now.Another long night is waiting.Far away from my pc,on the trancefloors,where the real life is waiting.Where a promoter-trancer has to fight against state prejudice,in order to make his dream come true
LONG LIVE TRANCE
Tim eternal motion
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XrTC
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Posted : Oct 23, 2004 20:12
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all the following quotes are by eternal motion.
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Regarding our policy,well...this is not amsterdam and unfortunately ppl here are now getting familiar with party protection.SO i will give you a simple example:one guy was smoking.The security throw him out.He was beging to re enter and he did..what followed?He smoked again within 10 minutes.
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that's why i said you have to be strict. if you did not allow this person to go back in, you wouldn't have had to "slap" him...
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What is totally unacceptable is to allow a kid fulling a totaly professional organisation,taking advandange of the security's good will.
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that's why you slap the kid? you let it back inside, so again you could have avoided the situation. if you want to clear the venue from drugs you have to be strict, not aggressive. u can't try to be good and give another chance etc.
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5 ppl arguing with us at this forum are not enough to convice me for what a right policy is,to CLEAN the mess from our beautiful scene.At least at e motions events.
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i find it rather selfish of you. the fact that i personally am spending time trying to present you something that you might not have thought of, that could have the same effect on what you are trying to do, and you don't say anything about it (maybe you don't even think about what i am writing), still you keep on defending your original plan thinking that we are all here just to argue with you. well, since you feel that way, i can't say anything more. it seems you got it figured out already...
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If i am wrong i will be judged for my actions
in the long or short run .I am not going to kiss asses to have 50-100 tickets more...
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this is not about whether your plan is going to be successful or not. so it is "o skopos agiazei ta mesa" then, and you can do whatever it takes to achieve it? i still believe that intelligent people can make something work without the need of physical violence. and who said anything about ass-kissing? can you please explain what you mean?
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This is the underground music scene my friend.If you know what i mean
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i can only laugh... a party in a club, with 5euros/water-bottle, without even a joint, with security etc. this is deffinetely NOT an underground music scene! i am sorry to let you know, but all this is another step towards commercialisation. it's getting more mainstream than ever......
p.s. have fun tonight, without any "slappings" etc. Tim: i really hope that when your dream comes true, you won't have to realise that the music scene you used to know and love does not exist any more, simply because it has changed so much...
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Posted : Oct 23, 2004 20:29
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5 ppl arguing with us at this forum are not enough to convice me for what a right policy is,to CLEAN the mess from our beautiful scene.At least at e motions events.
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Nobody is trying to convince you about anything,everybody is free to express his opinion on the subject,some aggree with you and some dont,as simple as that.
And like you said you will be judged for your actions in the long run.
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The Last Temptation
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Posted : Oct 24, 2004 02:27
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I keep seeing you people repeating that we live in a free country and out of curiosity, do you really think we live in a free country?
And about the security subject, well give it a break, there are so many other problems with the parties that have to be solved first.
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eternal motion - SG
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Posted : Oct 24, 2004 14:07
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xrtc the water is for 1 euro and we don't own the bar
Ofcourse i don't know if i will be happy ,but,i know that the scene WILL change for sure.And my dream will come true by any means
Selfish? Hmmm
Just confident
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We had fun last night.Even more ppl than in our previous event,and even more strict security
Have a nice day
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Oct 24, 2004 16:30
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PEOPLE !!..
The security personel iz there to protect an investment that haz been made from someone that cares to go through all the trouble to bring YOU the artists YOU wanna hear 'n' see 'n' dance to.. [+ without being arrested !!]
by entering such an event, you should know that there will be a certain control of the area..
-i have never been harased by a PRIVATE SECURITY during any event (even mainstream onez) for 'drug use', but i have witnessed plenty of cases of actions taken against DEALING - which tells me that atleast i am going back home in the morning and not by the local police station and from there to a digitized window [codename: RAVER] on 20.00 o'clock newz..
-IMO SECURITY SHOULD BE PRESENT and on alert, just az long az they know the difference between PERSONAL USE and DRUG DEALING (which iz either them or the police!)..
Theze URBAN EVENTS are not a case of me adding my presence deep inside the energy core of the forest, sharing a magik continuence with 51 people and the forest az our didaskalos.. i believe all of you can tell the difference..
so.. if you have nothing to hide, you have everything to enjoy..
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it's ON !!
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psyhunterson
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Posted : Oct 24, 2004 21:34
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enough with the drugs already! i hear you
talking about drugs and clean parties all
the time while you forget that in the
parties the most powerfull and harmfull at
the same time drug is sold which is
alcohol!! of course it is legal and that's
why you have it when other mild ones such as pills, shrooms or cannabis are forbiden.as
long as the security is concerned i agree
with its existence but security guys ought
to be extremely polite and discreat since
they're dealing with people and not animals
or junkies as they indulge to tag it in
certain people who happen to prefer
healthier drugs than alcohol!!! Personally i
don't prefer to smoke pot while listening
trance as it makes me feel extremely relaxed
without being able to pound my self on the
dancefloor.alkohol makes me feel exactly the
opposite that's why i love it in parties.but
this doesn't mean that i'm free of drugs or
the party will be drugfree if noone with pot
comes in! it's such a hypocrisy to acuse
someone as a druguser when everybody smokes
tobacco and gets high with alkohol!!! these
are so more harmful and addictive as it's
been proved by conteporary science! Again,
i'm not against any kind of mild drug since
the attendants of a party are adults.we
should be free to choose the substances to
which we may want to submit our bodies. of
course the drug legislation of our country
is onother problem and therefore the
security must do what's necessary to prevent
police related problems. fair enough so far
but guards should care to be nice because
anyone can pop a pill into his mouth or
smoke a joint b e f o r e entering. will the
party be "clear" then? let's not hide behind
our finger. when we talk to each other we
should aknowledge that no amusement venue of
any kind in greece is totally drugfree as
alcohol is sold everywhere and many many
people do smoke tobacco.
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eternal motion - SG
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Posted : Oct 25, 2004 01:44
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and by the way xrtc,why don't you come and see by your own eyes the double stage effort.
You think that cause i am not answering to your thoughts-suggestions,i am not thinking?
I wish that all of the ppl had the intelligence that you mentioned but unfortunately they don't.I am sure that you know about what kind of ppl i am talking about.We have to find a way to keep them at parties,and,at the same time to make them realise how they should behave.
It is easy to just refuse admission or to throw them out,but this is not my philosophy for expanding, and keeping my events as clean as possible at the same time.
Regarding the kiss ass think,i ment that the security will not be polite to these kind of ppl.That's the policy.To make them stay at the party and to follow and respect the rulles.Ofcourse o skopos agiazei ta mesa...this is our policy.
Regarding drug use,my will is to keep trancers as healthy as possible,cause we need them to stay in this kind of entertainment,for longer than 6 months (whitch is the average period for a young man to fuck up his brain-body) cause of "medium" drug use.(pills are medium drugs according to some ppl as you noticed) So you can see that we first have to educate-inform
them about the dissaster of pills use,(with leaflets made by doctors) then we have to stop the dealers entering the party,and then in the end to make the majority of ppl follow the rulles at our events.If you ask me again,the answer is yes,by all means and i mean BY ALL MEANS
When a man has the will,and a plan,and the mental strength to organise and execute all these,why he has to be called selfish?
We are spending much more money than any other organiser for providing a wealthy and strong trance scene in thesaloniki and everybody knows this (it is more than obvious).
And finally ,what makes you so sad cause the scene is changing?Isn't it all about development and evolution in the end?I think that what actually is magic about trance,is the non stop development since the begining...
So let's see
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Events with security,no joints,and entry fee
are not underground?Once more you are very much wellcome to have a picture of our events.But watch out in the entrance,even my best friends are getting body search
CHEERS
Tim eternal motion
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CAT
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Posted : Oct 25, 2004 11:12
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My best regards to Mr Roudos...I have already experienced the security in Europe,The Netherlands, France, Italy and that is what ,I guess, we all ment when we were offenced about how eternal motion presented the whole thing...
Don't choose the wrongest way but the best...it will also be dood for you....
And sometimes alcool may be worst,can provoke an agressive behaviour...
Anyway,the security was ok at the party...and the party was excellent...
But the people were the best!!!!!
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CAT
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Posted : Oct 25, 2004 11:19
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I would like to note that they were friendly from my personal treatment(!)
Although I dont know if anything happend...Hope not... |
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XrTC
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Posted : Oct 25, 2004 13:32
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tim, that's more like the post i would have liked to see a lot earlier.
just to make sure i am not being missunderstood, i will say again i am in no way trying to belittle your efforts or eternal motion's events. u know how i feel as i have already expressed my support.
i am just opposing to physical violence in any way, whatever the cause. and since i feel there IS a way to make your dreams come true without being aggressive, i expressed my suggestions...
...which gets us to the reason why i called u selfish. as far as i am concerned most of the posts (if not all) from everyone in this thread were suggestions in order that your good plan would become ideal. u replied with "5 ppl arguing with us at this forum are not enough to convice me for what a right policy is,to CLEAN the mess from our beautiful scene" and that's what i found selfish. u replied as if u are always right and u won't listen to anyone!
having said all these (which btw are more than enough indeed, like Last Temptation says "give it a break, there are other problems" i agree), what's left is to join one of your events some day and -why not- have a personal chat. maybe one of us will change his mind...
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mozillas
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Posted : Oct 25, 2004 13:40
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550km
i come from athens with my girlfriend,
she has a big bag and pills for period,
the security take the pills and told us that they'll give back the pills in the morning but they never do that,who knows maybe they didn't beliave us and eat the pills,
and i thing that you take all the pills,if i was having pills for epilepsy????????????
as about the bag they reprimand us because it was big and told us to take a smaller next time,
thats great  keep the good work guys
Psarades GATZOluomai sta xeria mou exw bafo
Karavanades efyga sta @@ mou sas grafw! |
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