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Satlanny


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Posted : Jan 4, 2004 10:08
i don't argue that...
and i have staid at some parties when the bpm has died down because my friend was next to go up to Dj. question is, and i don't have the answer (wish i did). how do you educate a person that leave's?
i mean ultimately the a Dj that gets walked out on won't be envited back...so next time he goes up i don't think he'll even try to calm the mood because he's scared of the next strike so to speak.
maybe i'm wrong, i hope i am. like i said, i'm still a baby in the scene and i've been educated by veterans who know the party's you speak of. but alot of people know nothing else than "karhana" if you will...
mfa


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Posted : Jan 4, 2004 16:46
Quote:

On 2004-01-03 22:05, katam wrote:
I think people should forget about mourning and night..........just play whatever the fuck you want.
if you are good, people will dance.





100% true !!
we (me & friends) made a small real underground party in 2/1.. anyway i mixed between the night & morning and it was VERY good, all loved it, i even put some trax from 1995 hehe.. (K.U.R.O)

just put the right music, the thing that says "this track is 4 the night" - thats a big bull sh!t..

anyway stop wondering about "old times" and start digging the earth! =)
nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 4, 2004 17:25
so in your reasoning mfa all morning with 145-150 bpm is the right kind of music? Again try something different and you'll see that people will get into it once they actually fond out that slower music can rock the dancefloor just as good as the fast formular
parapsyched
Scratch 22

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Posted : Jan 4, 2004 23:34
ok...
first of all. i personally don`t like to calm down in the morning. i like to blow up... and dig down. for me (and it`s a matter of taste) calm music is good to begin with and to end with (like 11-12 at noun) . bpm is a matter of taste after all. some like it high some don`t....
second....
youre missing the whole point.... bpm is not what i asked about... and it`s certainly not the answer.

p.s
i never saw a progressive party that had the vibe i`m talking about... nor have i ever felt like i partied after such a party. just felt tired and bored.... matter of taste i guess....           if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...

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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 4, 2004 23:47
Guess that's another good reason why the two scenes should be split up so we that enjoy slower music can listen to it and you that like fast madness can listen to it Then all would be happy and not all the time moan about why it's not good ect ect.
Kaz
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 00:55
Some full-on DJs spin with a more progressive DJ technique (Gabi 2b, as heard in all the parties organized by himself and The Twins) and give a groovy full-on set, some progressive DJs give some power and not just groove (BLT, he plays so much for a reason) and I'm not even talking about other options like Electric Universe with the sunrise which makes the crowd go wild while using soft grooves (sorry to all the fans, but what Cosma never did, this guy already had time to forget), or even Timo (of Texas Faggot/Mandalavandalz fame) which while I don't listen to his music much at home (hell, I can't stand most of it), his energy on the dancefloor would put most full-on DJs to shame.

There's so many options for music at a party, and yes, Israel is stuck on 2.5 styles (Israeli full-on/GMS and friends, soft fluffy prog to open parties, and to a lesser extent the Danish sound/Azax Syndrome/Psychotic Micro/etc). There are a few exceptions, but really, not much.

And some of the best sets Israel has ever seen have been progressive ones Haldolium Live @ the lake, Buddha Source @ DEAZ, and of course acts like Shiva Chandra which just do magic every time, and of course Timo and Ville at Psychedelic Zion parties gave me some of that wonderful goa party-vibe back. All the parties mentioned had a great vibe which most full-on parties never reached. And I'm not even talking about older parties with goa acts when it was really a bunch of freaks out there doing their own thing.

Of course, mixing and matching at parties can always work.. In Germany there was a fassion of full-on at night and progressive in the morning (the opposite of Israel, even though Israel nowadays is usually full-on at night and full-on in the morning), it's all good, as long as it works.

Categorizing, dividing, whatever... all this stuff is useless. As long as the music is good and the vibe is there, the party will rock. No matter what style.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
doc
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 01:15
don't tall me u didn't felt the vibe at d2d party
man the first thing I'm going to do when i get back 2 Israel is giving u back uŽr vibe , bitch stop bitching & crying about it
(i love u man don't forget that)
man,me and u (with the help of some otherŽs like chen and billy.a)we r going 2 bring back the vibe,uŽll see we will..........           we're gonna build a whole new world for ourselves.look,they clap eyes on us and wer'e dead,right?so we gotta make a new life where they'll never find us.you know where?UNDERGROUND!

keep it small and beautiful!
Yuli
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 01:21
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On 2004-01-04 04:27, Elysium Project wrote:
The point is to educate people Satlanny and to show them different ways.... ..It's all up to people being a bit more openminded and for the organisers, Dj's and artists to "dare" do something different. The point is that you're missing out on an party experience that very few have experienced these days.




Very true BUT:

You missing the point that MOST of the people pay the 20Euro at the door not to be EDUCATED but to dance and enjoy. And if they like 145 than that what they like. If in the middle of their fun you will try to show them how much fun for you to dance 135 they will just leave the place or use other measures to bring the 145 back again. When people pay their good money to party in the fashion they like there is only place for very little education. And YES most of the crowd is NOT open minded and all they want is to go wild on 145. The only advice to those that dont like it is not to go to this kind of event if u dont enjoy it - so simple!!! There are so many fun parties to choose from!! Rock, Techno, House, D&B explore them, ENJOY           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 01:55
Instead of trying to see what my point actually is you automatically assume I miss the point.. Way to go Yuli... makes me wonder how openminded you actually are?

Again so you also understand my point... I have nothing against a party where it's full on all the way... I am not going to go to a party like that very often but I dont try to tell people not to go... If they enjoy it then cool

But and there is a but! Once in a while it's ok to surprise people and expose them to something a bit different than what they expect... Maybe it's a matter of attitude? But I like to be surpriced and not just always go for the sure thing!

I am sure I am not alone with this opinion

So you see I am not trying to convince anyone to do anything they dont want to do.... But without any "new" suggestions it very fast become quite boring.
psychild
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 03:14
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There's so many options for music at a party, and yes, Israel is stuck on 2.5 styles (Israeli full-on/GMS and friends, soft fluffy prog to open parties, and to a lesser extent the Danish sound/Azax Syndrome/Psychotic Micro/etc). There are a few exceptions, but really, not much.



I totally agree. There's so much music out there, but every time I go to a party it's the same mindless boom boom music for people to blow up on drugs. And hey whatever happened to all Delta\Spiralianz sound? I've heard Marcus do magic with a morning set. Ofcourse it is a matter of taste and I guess a lot of us Israelis do love the GMS stuff, I guess it has something to do with Israelis being hot tempered people. All I'm saying is that the vibe isn't just about karahana and madness. For me it's being deeply moved by the music, having an emotional experience. You know that feeling when you're dancing at a party and you can't wipe that stupid grin off your face and you just wanna hug someone? I'm sure everyone know's what I'm talking about. That feeling doesn't have to come from drugs or screeching 150 bpm music. What matters is the quality and the skills of the performer be that a dj or a group.

I think there is a real crowd for music other than full-on here. Not that I mind hearing some mindblowing full-on myself sometimes, but hey come on people the scene will never evolve if we don't try new stuff.           "Just as every skill is strengthened by practice, so is every bad habit made worse by repetition."
Satlanny


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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 04:32
well people, i think we all can agree not to agree and then agree again...
this subject will never end.
people should listen to what they want when they want. if one party doesn't suit them, there will be one tomorrow that will. i also agree with elysium said about serprizing people at times, i alway's get a smile when a Dj serprizes me with something interesting once in a while.
in the end this conversation is starting to contradict trance all together by putting one style down or prazing another. i think that party's in a place like israel where you could easily have 3-5 party's in a single night are gonna be diferent and cater to diferent taste's.
the only place i would expect to hear diversity is at a long party (not just an all nighter) or at a festival.
evgeny@aero-groove
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 17:41
Well there is is nothing wrong with ppl having their own taste in music be it full-on or psytech minimal night madness the only problem is the lack of veraity in music between parties...how many times have you seen ppl posts reviewng parties tht the crowed was great nice vibes bla bla bla "but the music was not my cup of tea" i think that there is a crowed for something rather then the usual astrix folwed by gms sets...i just hope that some production group will realize it and will have the courege to make something diffrent...
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mfa


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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 19:09
well Elysium Project, i dont think u got my point. my point is, that i dont care about the BPM at all. i like when trax r played when its right, no matter style/BPM/etc'.

i was even looking for "l.s.d. (world sheet 0f closed string mix)" (its much less than 145BPM for sure).... tho i didnt find it hehe
katam
Abomination

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Posted : Jan 6, 2004 18:54
I have to tell you something guys.
when i went to india a year ago .... i got to anjuna in january and the first party i went to shocked me because i saw a totally different vibe than in israel. people were mellow and the moved gently to the music instead of "lhitkarhen" to it.
only then i realized that the scene in israel is totally differet than any other scene, people here like to release all the pressure that accumultes during the week by dancing like mad men.....i think that the party energy in israel is one of the most hardcore in the world.....am i wrong?
parapsyched
Scratch 22

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Posted : Jan 10, 2004 14:48
katam.... first of all.... your`e right. second... come back to israel.... it`s been to long since i`ve been to one of your hardcore sets.
second... doc... d2d pro. r throwing a party when the weather will be warmer... and it`s gonna be amazing. (p.s bitch ) .


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