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Nioreh
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 11:12
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ya man !
did you actually bother to check the links I posted at all ???
I am not talking about indipendent small scale digital distribution (like yours I guess) that's great !!! you are doing what they all should be doing!
but I am pointing my dirty finger to the BIG BOYS screwing us up (iTunes MS, Snocap, Amazon.com) which most ppl use to buy music and where anyway most music ends up when you sign a deal with a digital distributor.
check the first link (it's a long article) and you may get it.
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Yes... very interesting
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 15:33
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 01:39
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Andrew,
I've decided to go with digital distribution. And artists and labels that don't provide affordable digital download options are irrelevant to me now. I have a hard time getting excited about something I find very old-fashioned, inefficient and inconvenient.
I really do hate to miss out on the Interchill music, but I ain't buying it for $23.96 per release at BeatPort. And you probably hate to lose me as a customer. But I can't go back to 1997 in a very, very digital era and lifestyle to accommodate anyone. Sorry.
I wonder... is selling plastic CDs so wildly profitable these days that labels have no incentive to provide better service, prices and distribution? Do you think that more than a tiny fraction of the people who hear the music buy plastic CDs shipped from Hong Kong?
The labels seem to want to hang onto something that is shrinking and shrinking and is now obsolete for most home listeners and DJs. I don't know about Canada.. but here in Colorado, a MacBook and Live / Traktor is pretty standard at the console if the DJ is professional. And more often than not, the CDs have messy magic marker writing all over them and are put out by the "labels" GEM and Maxell. Maybe it's different in Europe or Japan... but...still...
Why carry out the illusion that people want to buy plastic CDs from shops or have them shipped over from Hong Kong? I say: offer the best releases as "special collectors editions" at higher prices ($25 dollars in a digipak) for the 5% of psychedelic music collectors who still buy CDs - and offer affordable lossless digital downloads for the vast majority of people who download music.
I'm not trying to insult you or anyone else, Andrew, but rather, I am an early adopter who is frustrated that the most cutting edge musical artform is still stuck - not in the iPod era, not in the DAT era, not in the MiniDisc era.. but long before that.
I'm tired of shoddy.mp3's and landfill fodder plastic CDs... 2 week delays and customs charges... and I'm ready for the next level. And I am waiting to buy more music than EVER BEFORE from artists and distributors who understand my market segment.
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damon
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 02:55
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On 2008-04-30 01:39, BrettFromTibet wrote:
Andrew,
I really do hate to miss out on the Interchill music, but I ain't buying it for $23.96 per release at BeatPort.
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I think you'll see price increase in the future ....
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but here in Colorado, a MacBook and Live / Traktor is pretty standard at the console if the DJ is professional.
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I say: offer the best releases as "special collectors editions" at higher prices ($25 dollars in a digipak) for the 5% of psychedelic music collectors who still buy CDs - and offer affordable lossless digital downloads for the vast majority of people who download music.
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I agree with you in terms of affordable digital downloads. Disagree with high price of cds - it's too much for many, many collectors.
My $.02
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maux
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 04:02
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many point of views...
I personally don't like so much collector items...but...
for example last year I sold all my vynil collection....sadly...
but I didn't know where to keep it anymore and i can't carry them with me....and I did some good money.
my digital music collection is huge....but it's worthless....
(apart of the fact that sometime they pay me to play it.)
we all think that this digital revolution is just started and it will only grow faster and faster...and we all have the same expectations of the middle man of the sixties...faster cars, faster airoplnaes, larger road, endless petrol storage....
instead I think that the digital era is at its peak....
infact here it comes the digital glossyness and all the operative systems becoming slik...
I think that we are now far from the illusion (that I also had) that internet was going to create the new perfect marketplace for indipendent music....
also in the digital distribution is happening the same story of the real distribution....a lot of middlemen controlled by few bigger men....
the article "digital greed" is pointing out that there is a lot of greed also on the side of the consumer....
who doesn't mind to spend lots of money in devices like iPod, iPhone and computers....who doesn't mind to pay monthly bills for a fast broadband...and instead is trying to get the most free content he can to fill up his media boxes....
so at the end of the day the ones doing the major profits are not the ones who produce the content but the ones who store it and deliver it...and make it available for free to anyone.....faster and faster....
......doing my best to not sound like an idiot.
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 08:11
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but here in Colorado, a MacBook and Live / Traktor is pretty standard at the console if the DJ is professional.
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How often do you see a set where the DJ spins off a collection of original, label-pressed CDs?
I think I saw DJ Anjali do it with a bhangra set in Portland a few years ago, and this Spanish guy at my burning man camp had a case full of legit chillout CDs...but it's pretty darn rare. Most DJs I have seen use cases full of well-organized CD-R they they burned on their own computer or got from friends, even at world-class parties. In the small chance that they own the original, they will burn a backup and throw it in their case. My point: the CD is just a collector's item for a dying breed of old fashioned home listener. No one needs a label to burn a CD for them, anymore.
Before computers came with CD-RW drives, we did. When I first got my Blue Room Released and Etnica's Alien Protein mailed to me from San Francisco... it was magic. So was buying Pleiadian's IFO at Tower Records (now defunct) in downtown Tokyo and listening to it on my CD Discman.
But that era is long gone. The only people I know who have portable CD players are homeless guys on the bus!
Having CDs mailed from Asia or Europe, to me, is far more obsolete than a local Blockbuster store with VHS only and hefty late fees. To use another analogy, the current CD model is more like a Netflix where you have to BUY the movies for $39.95 and wait 2 weeks for delivery. And they are frequently out of stock, and unable to ship the movies you want together. And some studios want you to order the movie directly from them, and/or make exclusive deals with certain outlets.
Uhh... I think I'll just watch Hulu and YouTube instead... or rent from iTunes in high-definition 
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damon
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 08:48
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On 2008-04-30 08:11, BrettFromTibet wrote:
How often do you see a set where the DJ spins off a collection of original, label-pressed CDs?
I think I saw DJ Anjali do it with a bhangra set in Portland a few years ago, and this Spanish guy at my burning man camp had a case full of legit chillout CDs...but it's pretty darn rare. Most DJs I have seen use cases full of well-organized CD-R they they burned on their own computer or got from friends, even at world-class parties. In the small chance that they own the original, they will burn a backup and throw it in their case. My point: the CD is just a collector's item for a dying breed of old fashioned home listener. No one needs a label to burn a CD for them, anymore.
Having CDs mailed from Asia or Europe, to me, is far more obsolete than a local Blockbuster store with VHS only and hefty late fees. To use another analogy, the current CD model is more like a Netflix where you have to BUY the movies for $39.95 and wait 2 weeks for delivery. And they are frequently out of stock, and unable to ship the movies you want together. And some studios want you to order the movie directly from them, and/or make exclusive deals with certain outlets.
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I told you Brett I mostly agree with you on digital distribution model. Just laughed out loud when I read about "proffesional djs using only laptops". Here in US, probably in UK and few other "advanced" countries, this is true. Although there are hundreds of djs around the world (even here in US) that don't want to use digital/can't afford new laptop/software combo and still use vinyl and/or cds. And I'm pretty sure a lot of them are PROS. I just don't like generalisation
On the other hand: I'm really hoping I'm wrong but something is telling me that digital format will go the same way cd did ... at the beginning it was new and expensive, later it became more and more affordable, once it became dominant medium - price started to go up. Like Maux said - big corporations control/will control it this way or another ....
Enough bitching - back to vinyl hunting 
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maux
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MARGHERITA
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btw:
in europe cd are still selling,
beatspace, ultimae (for chillout) or psyshop are working good for sure,
and they have fast delivery, 3/4 days max for most of the euoropean countries
and we do play a lot with cds for dj sets into chill stages.
the new "digital syncro systems" with turntables are pretty popular, but allways you have vynil & cds into every serious club....
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 19:25
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brett - you make some valid points... and yes i think beatport is pricey. most people don't use it for full album purchases though. Addictech is cheaper. E Music is very cheap.
as Moreno says... there is still a demand for cd's... both from consumers and also from the artists who wish to see their albums appear in tangible form. additionally press and radio promotion requires real copies if results are to be achieved.
and Maux is right that our desire for digital music is being channeled into driving increasing sales for ipods and other devices.
as storage and bandwidth gets ever cheaper, it will be possible for download services to offer better deals for full quality audio. there are more services coming online all the time - including some that will cater beautifully for chillout.
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Apr 30, 2008 20:42
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i can buy into itune an album for more or less 10 us dollars (15chfr)
im not a fan of ipod, wich i believe is pure shit (very bad quality sound output),
i never gonna buy this, ever 
i burn cds from my itune music.
i have play the tracks everywhere,
and into any type of sound systems.
from big 15'000watts function-one to the shity active speakers
i play the tracks with, ableton, traktor, cd-r, what ever sound card you like.
and never eard a major difference with the waves format.
so, now, i buy mainly into itune, easy, cheap, ok quality, fast downloads, secure payments.
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full big mega extra giga catalog of music .
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im not focus into psy releases (in any styles)
itune show me plenty of other music, wich i dont know,
yes, for sure, the additech catalog & some of the beatport trendy releases are not on itune,
but who cares ? to much good music outside for stuck only into a pseudo-dj-market-place...
in the last 10 months i buy 222 tracks into itune.... and maybe 10 real cds
why not be flexible?
and buy the more easy way ?
sometime cd, sometime digital......
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DiMiTry
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On 2008-04-30 01:39, BrettFromTibet wrote:
...but here in Colorado, a MacBook and Live / Traktor is pretty standard at the console if the DJ is professional. And more often than not, the CDs have messy magic marker writing all over them and are put out by the "labels" GEM and Maxell.
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many people buy good quality digital tracks and burn them on CD.
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How often do you see a set where the DJ spins off a collection of original, label-pressed CDs?
i only play my sets with original cd's. especiallly in ambient where you have sometimes very small labels - this is my contribution to the label and the artist. my form of love to the music, respect to the label and a big hello to the artwork behind it.
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BrettFromTibet
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many people buy good quality digital tracks and burn them on CD.
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Cheers! As I said, more often than not... DJs who use CDs tend to digitally download or play with CD-r backups. (My own DJ case is 85% CD-r backups of original discs, and the rest digital downloads. I usually don't bring original discs to parties to protect them and keep them from getting stolen).
The point: DJs very rarely use original CDs (and respect to the few that do, like BabaG). Most of us use copies and digital downloads. Why don't more labels offer us quality downloads?
I'm no expert at the economics of the music business, but in this day and age, I don't understand how they can afford NOT to!
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