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Isao
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 14:52
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 16:16
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You can improve things by just changing your listening position. Usually speakers will sound best firing down the length of the room. Also don't have your speakers too close to the walls and aim for your head to be 38% away from the wall your facing.
http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 07:39
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And make sure the tweeters are not halfway between the floor and ceiling..either above or below that point.
If you're on XP, try to find the Real Traps room mode calculator and plug in your dimensions.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 16:50
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On 2009-04-08 07:39, Kane wrote:
And make sure the tweeters are not halfway between the floor and ceiling..either above or below that point.
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How come? |
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Kane
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 18:51
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On 2009-04-08 07:39, Kane wrote:
And make sure the tweeters are not halfway between the floor and ceiling..either above or below that point.
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How come?
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I heard it somewhere. Must be true. 
I guess it's actually the woofers though, not tweeters.
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In all rectangular rooms the bass response is most lacking at the halfway points - halfway between the front and rear walls, halfway between the left and right sides, and halfway between the floor and ceiling. Therefore, the worst place to sit is exactly halfway back in the room, with your ears halfway between the floor and ceiling, or halfway between the left and right walls. You shouldn't put loudspeakers in those places either.
Loudspeaker tweeters should be at ear level, but you should raise or lower them a few inches if needed to avoid having the woofer exactly halfway between the floor and ceiling. Likewise, while left-right symmetry is important for proper imaging, you should offset your listening position a few inches to either side to avoid being exactly halfway between the left and right side walls.
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Posted : Apr 13, 2009 20:23
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Kane
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 04:50
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Specs look decent, but I've never heard them. I'm still not sure about kevlar woofers..
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R2D2
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 09:47
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B&W don't seem to have a problem with them. |
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"42"
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R2D2
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Posted : Apr 14, 2009 19:33
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B&W speakers. As used my many mastering houses. Oh and Abbey Road use them as well.
B&W use kevlar woofers and have done for many years. |
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Kane
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 06:53
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I know..which is another reason I'm a little hesitant with them. B&W's are amazing but I generally don't like them for electronic music (at least when I have to pay $14,000). Burmester, B&W, and other companies that tend to appeal to the more "subjectivist" crowd claim that it has the best rigidity to mass ratio. No one has shown any proof of this, but they sure love to advertise it.
Imo, kevlar is actually too rigid, and almost always has serious break up modes (kind of like comb filtering) as you get into the midrange. If they're well designed speakers, they may sound very detailed, but far from transparent. B&W is no exception. They use Kevlar cones exclusively for the midrange (>350hz<4khz in the 802D) in their high end lines, so listeners of classical, jazz, and acoustic stuff tend to love their "realness" and depth, but those in search for accuracy criticize them for coloring the sound too much.
And if B&W has such faith in Kevlar, why do they use all aluminum anodized cones/domes in their flagship Nautilus? 
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"42"
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 13:06
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I listened to the samson yesterday and I have to say - for this range of price it was the one that sounded the best.
Maybe it was the 8" against all other with 6" (Again - the price)
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psykfrans
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 13:10
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Hi guys!
Im getting new monitors and i am choosing between KRK RP5G2 and Yamaha HS80M. Do you think the Yamaha's are worth the extra 150€?
Or should I maybe go with the smaller Yamaha HS50M?
Cheers
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R2D2
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 14:05
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On 2009-04-15 06:53, Kane wrote:
I know..which is another reason I'm a little hesitant with them. B&W's are amazing but I generally don't like them for electronic music (at least when I have to pay $14,000). Burmester, B&W, and other companies that tend to appeal to the more "subjectivist" crowd claim that it has the best rigidity to mass ratio. No one has shown any proof of this, but they sure love to advertise it.
Imo, kevlar is actually too rigid, and almost always has serious break up modes (kind of like comb filtering) as you get into the midrange. If they're well designed speakers, they may sound very detailed, but far from transparent. B&W is no exception. They use Kevlar cones exclusively for the midrange (>350hz<4khz in the 802D) in their high end lines, so listeners of classical, jazz, and acoustic stuff tend to love their "realness" and depth, but those in search for accuracy criticize them for coloring the sound too much.
And if B&W has such faith in Kevlar, why do they use all aluminum anodized cones/domes in their flagship Nautilus?
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Are you speaking from first hand experience or just things you have read? I could very easily fill this thread with other peoples views. |
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R2D2
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 14:35
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Anyway a woofer is mechanically a piston. An ideal design would be one which is completely rigid and weighted nothing. Not possible so we have to find the best compromise. Kevlar is a good choice of material and aluminum is of course more rigid that Kevlar, it is just much more expensive to produce a bass/mid driver with this material due to tolerances. Monitor Audio also use aluminum for the very same reason.
Kane you say that in your opinion Kevlar is too rigid. Do you have a history of speaker design and engineering. |
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