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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 11, 2009 22:13
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On 2009-02-11 22:04, Kane wrote:
Ok, then muddy in the few rooms I've heard them in.
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No worries, I was being a typical over protective gearslut |
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naga
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Posted : Mar 15, 2009 20:00
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how i can calibrate my monitors spectrum with overhead mic cos i don't have decent room acoustic.
i tried this:
1. Pink Noise -> Izotope -> Monitors
2. Mic -> Cubase -> Izotope
3. Matching EQ with snapshot.
OK result but still think there is specified program for this...
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 15, 2009 21:01
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You mean EQ? and what mic? there are so many different mics that can be used for overheads. |
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naga
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Posted : Mar 15, 2009 21:22
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naga
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Posted : Mar 19, 2009 04:30
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Anti-Mode Technology does pretty nice work based on these diagrams - http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technology/anti-mode-technology/measurements.shtml
of course it cannot effect to wavelengths of frequencies but it would do a wonderful job on the sweet spot on the listening position.
Genelec has also nice speaker models with DSP, calibration software and room acoustic correction. ALL FINNISH!
http://www.genelec.com/products/2-way-monitors/8250a/
BTW,
some people always tells on this forum that you don't need a subwoofer just a pair of good monitors to come up with a good mix. I bought Tannoy Sub8 only worth of 270euros and even this little devil gave me a brand new perspective for mixing sub frequencies. Now I'm sure it's vital for electronic music to hear bass lower than 40 and especially lower than 50hz =) It's better to have too much than not at all, 32bit float suppose to give enough headroom for extra bass. and it can be fix on mastering process. feel the beat!
I recommend to buy monitors from manufacturer that has it's model of subwoofer available.
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Any ideas of psychoacoustic Processors for headphones. I would like to see some hardware based "speaker simulations" for headphones
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 19, 2009 05:29
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How will these products deal with modal ringing?
Or what about the rooms RT60?
Or what about SBIR?
Oh and don't forget comb filtering.
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Posted : Mar 19, 2009 05:32
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On 2009-03-19 04:30, naga wrote:
It's better to have too much than not at all, 32bit float suppose to give enough headroom for extra bass. and it can be fix on mastering process. feel the beat!
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naga
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Posted : Mar 19, 2009 11:41
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what are these SBIR and RT60? Links?
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Kane
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Posted : Mar 19, 2009 11:57
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SBIR (Speaker Boundary Interface Response) - This is a term to describe how the proximity of a speaker to a hard boundary (wall/ceiling/floor) will change the response, especially in the low end. This is something that not a lot of people understand nor consider when planning a room.
Sound radiates from a driver in different ways. Higher frequencies act like a ray and move in straight lines from a point. As you get lower in the spectrum, they begin to radiate more like a sphere. By the time you get below 500Hz or so, you're getting pretty spherical radiation. By the time you get to 125, it's purely spherical.
That said, imagine sound coming from a driver at say 100 Hz that is coming directly at you. There are other waves that are wrapping around the cabinet and bouncing off the front wall and then back at you. When 2 waves of the same frequency meet in this way (one direct, one having bounced off the front wall) there is an interface of the 2 waves (some describe this as interference).
Constructive interference occurs when the 2 waves happen to be in phase with each other. This yields a reinforcement of that frequency or a peak in response. Destructive interference occurs when the 2 waves are 180 degrees out of phase. This yields a partial cancellation of that frequency (the bounced wave has less amplitude) resulting in a dip or null at that frequency.
This can cause WILD variations in frequency response. However, one can sometimes use this to your advantage. If you play with speaker positioning in relation to the front wall (behind the speakers) and the side wall, you can 'tune' the response changes. This can be beneficial when attempting to smooth overall response.
Let's say that you have peak at your listening position at a given frequency. If you can find a place that images well and works with the video positioning that will create a slight dip due to SBIR, the net effect is a smoother response at your seat. It's kind of like using an EQ without having to put one in your system.
Generally, you're best off if the distance from speaker face to front wall, driver centers to side wall, and driver center to floor are 3 different dimensions in order to not reinforce any specific set of harmonics by having all the boundaries generate the same SBIR effect.
If you still have issues, you can treat the walls directly beside and/or behind the speakers with appropriate materials to further reduce the intensity of the reflected wave to it's imact when interacting with the direct wave is minimized. If you have issues say from 125Hz up but OK below that, then a thinner panel may be in order - say 2". If you have problems all the way down, then something thicker may be appropriate.
Also remember that there will be interactions between the sub and boundaries and also between the sub and mains and their boundary responses.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverberation#Sabine_Equation
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 19, 2009 15:20
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No worries Kane. I get more annoyed when it is used in an argument to back up someone's view.
If you want to deal with acoustic problems then deal with them acoustically.
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Posted : Mar 26, 2009 19:18
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Kane
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Posted : Mar 28, 2009 18:55
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You should really just wait a while and save for something better..it'll be difficult (if not impossible) to mix on those. 4 inch woofers just aren't enough for psy.
If you can wait a little longer, Alesis Monitor 1's or Behringer B3030A/B2030A's (all around $300/pair) would be a good place to start.
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 28, 2009 19:11
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It is quite likely that you will later upgrade from Kane's suggestions as well. But you got to start somewhere and you will need to start at a certain level. Kane's recommendations are good options for you. Be patient and save up the extra money. Maybe work on melodies and song writing in the mean time. |
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Posted : Mar 29, 2009 14:15
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Kane
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Posted : Mar 30, 2009 00:10
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On 2009-03-29 14:15, Fragletrollet wrote:
Got myself Focal Twin Be 6 a little while ago, and thats by far the best studio investment Ive ever done. Dont spend your money on crap; save a little longer and avoid buying twice...
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Are the tweeters on their actives as amazing as the hifi ones?
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