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psycoactive psybeing
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 10:14
Mad Purple State - Bro just find out n research on ur facts, This country India is a blessed land, Spritual Greats, saints, supreme beings hav descended on this earth, time n time, to awaken the disillusioned souls out of the illusion n weaknesses n their pain n agony, with the power of their compassion n supreme knowledge, for the wellbeing of humans.

I dont remember any great saint advising to take substances to attain self perfection n realisation, nor they themselves ever used it in their lives.

Meditation is a tool to still the ever wandering mind
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 12:08
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On 2007-12-17 10:14, psycoactive psybeing wrote:
Mad Purple State - Bro just find out n research on ur facts, This country India is a blessed land, Spritual Greats, saints, supreme beings hav descended on this earth, time n time, to awaken the disillusioned souls out of the illusion n weaknesses n their pain n agony, with the power of their compassion n supreme knowledge, for the wellbeing of humans.

I dont remember any great saint advising to take substances to attain self perfection n realisation, nor they themselves ever used it in their lives.

Meditation is a tool to still the ever wandering mind



um... buddy, I dont think i ever mentioned in my post that substance use has ever been advised by the great thinkers of our country.

I think you ate up few important words from my post. I mention that substance use and disillusioning yourself on a regular basis would ´NOT´ keep you on the right spiritual path.

Though, before that i said that experiencing it a couple of times in your lifetime could empower you to seek for true knowledge as there are few similarities between the music and culture we love in line with the books that possess the true knowledge. Hence I have explained the few similarities due to which your conciousness expands.
THIS I believe to be true.

Each one of us cant be the Great Thinkers by birth... or even be on the right path of life. NDE´s , OOBE´s , Substances etc could and has helped many to change their path

If you read my post carefully, I have clearly mentioned that the justification of substance use with religion is absolutely wrong. which in the first place was the reason I replied to this post.

- As for my facts and research... our religion is the only one that basis its entire teaching on Q & A´s between the teacher and the diciple and it is encouraged for a student of Vedanta to ponder upon questions and reach his own conclusions before he is guided on the right path again. On this forum... this discussion is highly encouraged... I have written what i have read listened to and understood from 16 years of knowledge from our Great Saints.

Anyhow I have only touched the surface of the knowledge that our expansive universe holds...

If any of my facts hold wrong... I´m absolutely open to discuss... but as for psychoactive psybeing... I think we both are on the same side of the discussion dont ya think?

          No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
psycoactive psybeing
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 15:20
Definetely we r on the same side dear Mad Purple State, I would like to rename u, Divine Purple state, Sprituality begins from purifications of mind n complete satvic way of living, i hope u know it very well, n whatever u experience on mental level is all illusion n extension of ur mind, same way as what u see outside, the worlds, galaxies r extension of universal mind.

Not everyone is born to lead path of sprituality, every individual is uniqely different, is born wid different characteristics, nature n mission. Worldy attachments r so great that it doesnt allow the self to merge in its ownself, as its tied up wid the visions, pleasures n attachments of the creation, both his mind n universal mind.
Forza
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 15:53
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On 2007-12-18 15:20, psycoactive psybeing wrote:
Definetely we r on the same side dear Mad Purple State, I would like to rename u, Divine Purple state, Sprituality begins from purifications of mind n complete satvic way of living, i hope u know it very well, n whatever u experience on mental level is all illusion n extension of ur mind, same way as what u see outside, the worlds, galaxies r extension of universal mind.

Not everyone is born to lead path of sprituality, every individual is uniqely different, is born wid different characteristics, nature n mission. Worldy attachments r so great that it doesnt allow the self to merge in its ownself, as its tied up wid the visions, pleasures n attachments of the creation, both his mind n universal mind.



This made me reflect dear babaji.

Do you think it is possible for the common man to attain self realization, even if he lives an honest family life? or should it be for renunciants, for those whith no earthly desires only?

for what you stated here I believe it's for everyone which a sincere heart seeks it, but please let me know your thoughts.

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Not everyone is born to lead path of sprituality, every individual is uniqely different, is born wid different characteristics, nature n mission.



Respect!


          Peace, Love, Light and Harmony
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 16:30
Would love to answer your question forza...

but you asked a question that cannot be answered in one sittin or one post... since instead of removing all doubt ... It will only confuse your more.

Your Karma and Your Purpose in life has a lot to do with where life leads you and where all you can lead your life...

Self Realization is acheived by a very few... but years and years of practice and dedication leads to progression towards the goal of self realization... so if not in this life... in some other life your time will surely come to be once again with Ishwar.

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Do you think it is possible for the common man to attain self realization, even if he lives an honest family life? or should it be for renunciants, for those whith no earthly desires only?
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A man with a honest family life progresses to attain self realization... but he will not acheive absolute truth until he has given up all the worldly pleasures. But if you look at the bigger picture an honest man with good virtues in life will definately lead him closer to God in each lifetime.


I write in a very raw format. May be psybeing can do a better job at explaining it in a more organized format.

- Mad
          No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Forza
Forza

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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 17:51
it all made perfect sense!

like my guruji said, feed the fire of the burning desire for Ishwar in your heart using your worldly ambitions as the fuel.

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Ah, my old ambitions, it is my delight to see how they burn forever in the fire of the divine desire that I started myself. Paramahansa Yogananda



We are so mundane yet, but let's strive to do good, to love, to create vibrations of peace, light, love and harmony!!

By your eye
Guru in your heart

Jai Guru!!


          Peace, Love, Light and Harmony
sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 19:03
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On 2007-12-18 15:53, Forza wrote:

Do you think it is possible for the common man to attain self realization, even if he lives an honest family life? or should it be for renunciants, for those whith no earthly desires only?





all beings who have reached there were jus as common as u & i b4 reaching there

as for ur second Q,
well jus sit besides a lotus flower (ofcourse the unplucked 1)
          the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
hassasin


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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 19:51
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A man with a honest family life progresses to attain self realization... but he will not acheive absolute truth until he has given up all the worldly pleasures.


With all due respect to the wisdom of all the learned men, i beg to discreetly share my belief and opinion. It is not about giving up and about obtaining the 'worldly pleasures' so much so as it is to be a 'roop' of those worldly pleasures, to have meaning in them. Therefore, if One is born a King ( King Janak), he may certainly live like one becasue of the unique nature of Destiny and yet be in a state of eternal bliss.
At the same time, an ascetic may have renounced but may associate 'meaning' or may be distracted internally 'the chit' by the worldly pleasures. This is precisely why the great Budha felt at peace only when he returned home from his self-imposed exile.
I do not wish to rubbish the thoughts presented by the others, but just wanted to share/discuss something which i deeply feel for.
Love
Gopendragon
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 21:02
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A man with a honest family life progresses to attain self realization... but he will not acheive absolute truth until he has given up all the worldly pleasures.



let me ask u this to make it more clear if we agree on that!
when u say honest family what do u mean?
I want to say that a spiritual family that lives a honest and simple life,surely is gonna elevate more the spiritual level and bring closer to the Lord,then to a man who lives alone a spiritual life.
The highest states of Kundali could be reached only with the divine energy of Mother Shakty,and that could happen only by the perfect union of male and female,those hermit yogis who rise kundalini experince low levels of this divine enrgy ,a man needs the spark of a woman to light fire on the serpent snake and rise up to the head,this is the key to eternal union..
I have spoken with yogis and sadhus in India telling me that anytime they want open the kundalini and experince bliss,heh,I dont think that it can be happen so easy,at least it can be happen to experience just a few sparks of kundalini and have the feeling that u done something with big deal,but thats only a taste..
The Lord wants us to see making a spiritual family without attachmenmts from the wordly life,Krshna had given as the perfect example.
The Lord dont want to see us alone as a hermit or a monk,u dont need to hide from life,because the natural essense of life is the reproduction of the genres,and that means evolution of the human being.
Someone who have gave up wordly pleasures,to became a monk or a hermit surely is gonna elevate the spirit,but this is not the essence of life,Lord dont want us to give up life for Him,I am sure that He prefares to give up material life and in the same time
complete our duty as human being for the absolute union,the male and female in one,like Shiva n Shakty,Krishna and Radha..

U know before much years I was trhinking seriously
to give up the cosmic life and became a hermit,or a monk,those thoughts torture my mind for much years...what I done?
Finnaly Lord gave me the solution ,
I became a cosmic monk,my room became the cave of a hermit,a shadhaka that lives spiritual life and get rid of the material attachments,there have been passed 4 years from now that I meditate regurarly,pray,do psychological work,spiritual practise,rituals...even stay away from sex for long periods,and waiting from The Divine Mother to bring on my path the woman with whom I ll do the perfect martimony...
I dont have any material desires,or at least say that they are very few,I try dont let my ego to choose for my self,I just hear my inner self whispering mystics from the divine voice of the Lord,waitinh with passion and strong faith the day of my resuraction...
Someone can do ascetic life in his own room inside a big town,live normal life and have job with other people,and in the same time elevate spirit between matterials,it looks hard but it isnt,it is how the mind see it,because the more u connect with the divine the spiritual interest comes natural,and materiality looks so cheap..
Could u imagine to make a spiritual family and do vacations somwhere on a trance festival?
Would it elevate u,or ....


HARI BOL for all



          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 21:54
As our religion teaches,

A Hindu has one absolute right and that is to gain knowledge from his sacred books.

At the same time he has one duty.
That is to spread the knowledge of all that he has learnt from our great books through a teacher.

I'm just saying when that thirst of knowledge so strong to seek absolute truth one goes to the guru high in the moutains sits close to him mind and body, tunes in and seeks the great eternal truths. The Veda.

After that he comes back and lives the best he can with maybe a family and does his best to spread the knowledge too.

That will get him that much closer to God but the Bhagya Gyan which is to stop the cycle of rebirth and be free from this world requires to atleast be with ones self for many years to seek ultimate truth. Nirvana Shaktam -Adishankaracharya explains it very well.

I will also write that if ones not going to attain that goal, it is mentioned that it is our duty to get married and have a son.

I was taught all very logically ...

Again i have written very briefly...

Take care man.



-Rix

          No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 09:21
Namaste Everyone,

I have uploaded the first lecture of Swamini Vimalananda in 2 parts in .wma format.

The lecture is in english with a pinch of humor so that your attention stays with the teacher.

I wont get into the details of what its about, I can only request you to give it ONE listen and I will assure you every person will pick up something positive about our religion and quest for life.

This is a series of 7 lectures, teaching 1 chapter of the Upanishad. After hearing this, if there is anyone who might be intrested in the complete talk, I will be more than happy to upload the rest of them.


http://download.yousendit.com/4D713A573256E863

http://download.yousendit.com/A2A72D2F670386A5

This will be up for one week.

B´om.

-Mad


          No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Fallen Angel
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 09:31
OK, so where does Goa Trance fit into all this then?

Oh wise one
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 09:32
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On 2007-12-19 09:31, Fallen Angel wrote:
OK, so where does Goa Trance fit into all this then?

Oh wise one



Did u read all 3 pages of the topic ?           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Zman
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 09:34
Thanks for sharing but is there a Youtube link to this bro? Having trouble opening videos on my laptop

Cheers :BooM
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 09:40
Its only audio buddy... as of now i have it only in audio as the session was recorded only for audio cassettes.

This entire series is in audio, but if there there is a good response for this, I will dig into my video tapes and take out a really intresting topic to upload.

This lecture is of 1 hr... even though its not of Video format, give it a chance and the conclusion will astound you



B´om

-Mad           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
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