Lesser Soul
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Posted : Jul 24, 2008 23:43
Being, a bundle of minute, unique particulars in which, by some unspeakable and yet self-evident paradox, was to be seen the divine source of all existence.
On 2008-07-24 13:51, phazed wrote:
"Simple molecules combine to make powerful chemicals...
simple cells combine to make powerful life-forms...
simple electronics combine to make powerful computers...
logically all things are created by a combination of simpler, less capable components...
Therefore, a Supreme Being must be our Future, not our origin!"
- dilbert/dogbert
The last sentence has a wierd sense to it...
So it cud be the other way around,. understanding the simplicity of the complexity... to realize the full potential of the complex/supreme thing...
Eg: Look at the above saying,. The fact that u realized that big things are made up of small things is the key there,. its like there was a big rock,. u saw it (here lets not get into the fact that u cud be imagining it or hallucinating it etc thats another theroy itself,. hehe),. so and after a bit of thinking and research and some experience with the rock by banging ur head to it,. etc, u just realized that it is made up of small atoms,. u didnt create the rock nor it appeared in front of u after u realized that small things make up big things,. The rock was already there,. but u just realised how its made up and wats in it and wat is its strength etc... The rock was no future,. it was the past,. to say,. we just came to know abt it more so we have a better understanding and use of the rock in the future,.
and according to wat u say human is the ultimate being as of now,. and Supreme things come in future,. full on evolution,.,. but then how do u know abt it now itself?!,. not just now but from time immemorial,. how do so many people know it, experience its presence or feel it or even see it?!...(its like staring at the rock from a distance prolly for the first time in the above example)... it just cant be only our imagination,. there shud be something more to it... so maybe we are just in the process of realizing the same...
So the last sentense i guess, it doesnt mean that supreme things are yet to evolve like mammals evolved from tiny bacteria types...
maybe it means that we realize the full potential of the supreme things so that it can take us into the future more efficiently...
just another way of looking at it
also maybe we realize how things work thru many other things and thru evolution as they say and then create our own supreme things... possible...
but theres always some kinda ambiguity in any theory,. thats wat makes me think like ., hmmmmmm maybe its the other way or another.... ... man is anyone completely sure of wat they're talking???!!!... maybe ,. may not be... im thinking too much now... ciao time for a peace pipe...
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Posted : Jul 25, 2008 10:45
We are God ... We are One ! " All is One "
When we change the way we see things, the things we see begin to change ... In Lak'ech Ala K'in ...
2 many words, 2 much misunderstanding; plus, there's always a contrarian hiding sumwhere!
Burn ur 'scriptures', ppl..
There's gotta b a fourth alternative.. Which is 'both, and neither'.
Wikipedia definies Turiya as "a state of pure consciousness, or the experience of ultimate reality and truth. It is a fourth state of consciousness that underlies and transcends the three common states of consciousness: the state of waking consciousness (jagrata), the state of dreaming (svapna), and dreamless sleep (susupti)."
Further, it goes on 2 add, "The first two states are not true experiences of reality and truth because of their dualistic natures of subject and object, self and not-self, ego and non-ego. In the third state, dreamless sleep, one is not conscious of external or internal objects; however, that does not mean consciousness is not present there. It is like saying 'I don't see anything in darkness'. The recognition that I don't see anything is what I 'see'. So also in dreamless sleep, one is not conscious of anything and the very fact that this statement is true proves the existence of consciousness during deep sleep.
Consciousness is the constant factor in all the three states, and it is unaffected by the presence or absence of objects. Consciousness itself does not require to be revealed by another consciousness, as it is self-revealed. While everything is presented to consciousness and is revealed by it, consciousness itself is not presented to anything else. It is never an object in relation to another subject. It is that which underlies both subject and object. It is the fourth, the turiya, the brahman."
And 'silence returns'!
Boom Boom!
"If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
yes yes ofcourse,. whatever the scene is,. we are all begining to think and realize,. everyone in their own way,. but eventually we all get there,. hopefully everyone... its also important to share each persons views n experiences so that we move ahead faster...
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Posted : Jul 27, 2008 15:23
Buddha Boy is found again...
The local committee of the village has claimed that they have found the Buddha Boy at a place called 'Gopini' 3km away from the place where he had been meditating before he disappeared.
Buddha Boy said the main reason for his disappearance was the crowd and the noise pollution.
He said that he will be back after six years of meditation, with peace in Nepal.
He is not afraid of any kind of wild animal and rebellion party in Nepal.
Buddha Boy states no harm should come to the people, although there is Civil War between the Royal Nepalese Army and the Maoist of Nepal.
He was found wearing the same clothes from when he disappeared. While he stood under a tree and he was smiling during his conversation with the people who found him. He came back looking very healthy and strong, whereas before his departure he looked very thin and weak.
The president of the local conservation committee said he has video footage of Buddha Boy's return and he is willing to show this footage if it is necessary. In the video Buddha Boy says, he went quite far away but he returned to let everyone know that he is alright and would come back after completion of his meditation.
He has also asked for his mother not to worry about him and after his statement he disappeared without saying where he was going.
Check out this page: http://www.new-buddha.com/index.htmlOm Trayambakam Yajaamahe
Sugandhim Pushti - vardhanam|
Urva - rukamiva Bandhanan
Mrytor - muksheeya ma - amritaat||
Killing the Buddha!!!...
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There's an old saying, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
Who's that Buddha? What does it mean to "meet" the Buddha? What does killing the Buddha imply?
The historical Buddha, Shakyamuni, on attaining enlightenment, is said to have realized that all beings, just as they are, are Buddhas. If that's so, meeting a Buddha on the road should be a pretty commonplace event! So should being a Buddha on the road! But that's where the word "meeting" comes in. It implies encountering something or someone outside or other than oneself. We all come to practice carrying around images or ideals of who we should be and what we imagine a Teacher or Buddha should look like. And we may chase after individuals that for a while seem like they live up to our image, ignore those who do not, and generally treat ourselves with contempt for not living up to the standards set by our imaginary inner "Buddha." All this may keep us pretty busy, but it has nothing to do with real practice, which is an awareness of who and what we actually are, not the pursuit of some ideal of who we think we should be. So "killing the Buddha" means killing or wiping out this fantasy image, and "the road" is two fold: the road outside where we look outside ourselves for the ones who have all the answers, and the inner mind road, where we set up all the "shoulds" we must obey to turn ourselves into the Buddhas we don't believe we already are, but think we must become.
It is said that Shakyamuni's last dying words to his disciples were, "Be a lamp unto yourselves." Be your own light, your own authority, your own Buddha. Kill off every image of the Buddha, see who and what you are in this very moment, see that there is no Buddha other than THIS MOMENT.
A psychologist friend recently complained that Buddha's last words themselves were a trap. (Actually he called them something much less polite!) How can anybody TELL you to be your own authority? In the guise of liberation, these words become just one more dogma that the disciples submit to. Anybody who TELLS you to "Kill the Buddha" is giving a command as self-contradictory as "Be spontaneous!" It's a good point, and one that shows that this koan and Buddhism in general can't escape a more complex involvement with issues of authority. Our psychological reality is that we have to learn and practice to achieve our independence, and that learning almost inevitably has to take place within the context of some kind of disciplined practice. Remember we have to "kill the Buddhas" inside as well as outside ourselves. If we take this saying to mean only that we should reject all forms of external authority, we will end up leaving ourselves at the mercy of all sorts of, often unconscious, inner "Buddhas." Isaiah Berlin distinguished two kinds liberty he called positive and negative liberty. Negative liberty is freedom FROM, freedom from outside interference of one kind or another. Killing the outside Buddha may give us a version of this negative liberty. Positive liberty is freedom TO, the liberty of enabling conditions. And these are what are provided by a Teacher, a practice, a discipline. Berlin emphasized that the two kinds of liberty were conceptually at odds with one another, and an increase in one automatically meant a decrease in the other. And yet, we cannot thrive without both. Without a formal practice, we will never engage the deeply ingrained unconscious determinants of our character. But any practice, any teacher inevitably offers the risk and the temptation to hand over responsibility to someone or something outside of ourselves. The middle way is our balancing of these two truths. There is no one correct way to balance them, and every teacher, every discipline will offer a unique mix. No one can tell you how you, as a particular individual, ought to practice. Each of us must decide and take responsibility for the balance works best for us. That is how we truly can be a "lamp unto ourselves."
Also there is a nice book by Sheldon Kopp called "If u meet the Buddha on the road, Kill him" ,. Killer book
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On 2008-07-29 05:11, RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd wrote:
If u meet the Buddha on the road, Kill him!!!...
this is an old saying by the 1 of the zen master i think it was Ishan if im not mistaken
btw '7 colours of the rainbow' a series on zen masters by Osho is a v.gud read (though it's out of publication & hard to get now)
the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
^ nope some are still available will check the publication and will post the name sometime To focus sometimes you need to spin hard on your soul's axis..... just don't ask how and what it means ;)
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Posted : Jul 29, 2008 10:34
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^ nope some are still available will check the publication and will post the name sometime
'Rebel Publications' was the only 1 who had the license dont know if they allowed neone else to publise it
but personally i tend to read on rebel publication books not even St. Martin publication dont know y but i jus dont connect to em' the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
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Posted : Jul 29, 2008 10:38
delete me plz the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!!
sure to find here but will get to "7colors of the rainbow" and if its epaper will post the direct link
sometimes google does wonders and that sometime is forever for me To focus sometimes you need to spin hard on your soul's axis..... just don't ask how and what it means ;)
Lesser Soul
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Posted : Jul 30, 2008 20:33
Being, a bundle of minute, unique particulars in which, by some unspeakable and yet self-evident paradox, was to be seen the divine source of all existence.
Lesser Soul
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Posted : Jul 30, 2008 20:41
whats enlightenment like if uve got maybe split seven eight ways hahahaha will the medication help then yo ....all you docs out there ?? what say mates ? Boom Shankar !!!
Being, a bundle of minute, unique particulars in which, by some unspeakable and yet self-evident paradox, was to be seen the divine source of all existence.
thats another theroy itself,. hehe),. so and after a bit of thinking and research and some experience with the rock by banging ur head to it,. etc, u just realized that it is made up of small atoms,. u didnt create the rock nor it appeared in front of u after u realized that small things make up big things,. The rock was already there,. but u just realised how its made up and wats in it and wat is its strength etc... The rock was no future,. it was the past,. to say,. we just came to know abt it more so we have a better understanding and use of the rock in the future,.
