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Mad Purple State
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SCIENCE MEETS SPIRITUALISM
This link contains interesting articles on diverse topics glorifying our ancient culture and civilization, which are not only informative but goes to prove the great insight our ancient sages possessed and also that the theories they had propounded were not just suppositions but based on scientific reasons. The idea is to reveal to the world of our glorious past, rich culture and heritage- to prove that at the time when the rest of the world was engulfed by ignorance, our country was blessed with enlightened sages. The articles given here are also ample testimony to the fact that our ancient sages, in their quest for ultimate knowledge, had delved deep into level of human consciousness in order to find solutions to the mystery of the world. They were successful because the conclusion they arrived upon emanated from deep state of meditation in which all the mysteries of the world were unfolded to them.
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WHEN DID EARTH CAME INTO EXISTENCE ?
The origin of earth is a question, which has baffled man since time immemorial. Modern science, too, has tried to find answer to this question, which quite amazingly corroborates the statements made by our ancient sages in this regard. Scientists having belief in the theory of evolution like Professor Solas, Shimper, Hackel Keith and Doctor Church, after their research came to the conclusion that man has been existing on the earth only for the last 8, 20, 000 years. But, their findings contradicts the theory of evolution itself, which states that it takes a extremely long period of time for any living creature to evolve. This way the time period of man's origin is further decreased to mere few thousand years.
If we look at the history of the world as well as the various calendars related with different ancient civilizations, the above theory is proved wrong. The Christian calendar begins with the birth of Jesus Christ, which is the most modern calendar as Christ was born 2002 years ago. As compared to the Christian calendar the calendar propounded by Moses is more ancient since it began 3540 years ago. Like way Yudhishthir's calendar which began 4132 years ago at the time of his coronation is more ancient. There are other calendars more ancient than the above mentioned calendars like, Kaliyugi samvat which is 5077 years old, Ibranian calendar which is 5989 years old, Egyptian calendar which is 28629 years old and Finishian calendar which is 30,0047 years old. The Iranian civilization believed to be one of the oldest one has a calendar dating as far as 189955 years back. In the same manner Chaldian calendar considered significant for astrological information it contains is 2,15,000,47 years old. The followers of Khatai religion trace their roots to Khata who was born 8,88,40,348 years ago and their calendar is that much ancient. The Chinese calendar, which is related with the first king of China, is believed to be further ancient i.e. 9,60,02,476 years old.
The origin of man, when determined on the basis of Vaivaswat Manu samvatswar, one of the fourteen samvatsars goes back 12,05,33,077 years old. A mantra created by our ancient sages and used during taking a 'Sankalpa' in religious ceremonies, which is still in practice, states that the man has continued to inhabit the earth for the last 1,97,29,40,037 years.
Modern Geologists, working on four hypotheses tried to determine the age of the earth-
On the basis of formation of layers of rock-- They assume that the earth must have been experiencing rainfall since the time of it's creation. The vaporization of ocean's water caused by the Sun and the resultant rainfall must have been the reason behind the creation of rivers. These modern Geologists also presume that the flowing rivers carried layers of soil with them. It was a continuous and long process, which helped the scientists to come to the conclusion that it took 880 years to form one foot thick layer of soil. The thickest rock they have found till date is 5, 14,000 feet thick. So, on the basis of the above theory the age of the earth comes up to 5,42,38,20,000 years. But, geologists discarded this conclusion because of its over dependence on imaginations and little scientific base.
On the basis of the salinity of ocean' water-- This theory is based on the assumption that the salinity of oceans' water has been increasing in a gradual manner by the flowing rivers transporting mineral salts into them since time immemorial. The result was increased level of salinity in the oceans' water with each passing year. Scientists were of the view that the phenomenon of vaporization did not have any effect on the salinity of oceans' water i.e. the quantity of salt in the oceans' water did not reduced and always remained the same. To determine the quantity of salt found in ocean water scientists did experiment by taking one gallon of ocean water as specimen. They then determined the quantity of salt transported by rivers each year into the ocean. Now they divided the total quantity of salt contained in ocean and divided it by the quantity of salt transported by river into it. After calculating they came to the conclusion that the age of the earth was 12,00,00,000 years. But geologists discarded this assumption too.
On the basis of assumed temperature of earth since the time when it came into existence-- A scientist named Lord Calvin with the help of his research made on this subject assumed that the earth's temperature at the time of its creation was 3900 degree centigrade. He then found out the present temperature of the earth's surface and also its average depreciation that was caused each year. After dividing the present temperature of the earth with the average depreciation of temperature they came to the conclusion that the earth's age was 10,00,00,000 years.
Disintegration of radio active materials-- This theory is based on the assumption that there is a continuous process of disintegration going on in radio active materials like Uranium, Thorium and Radium. It is also the most accepted theory for determining the age of earth. These materials continuously radiate radio active rays like alpha, beta and gamma. In course of time they get transformed into lead. Since this transformation is irregular and effected over a very long period of time as well therefore it is not easy to arrive at any definite conclusion. Still, scientists have found a way to determine the 'mid-life' of a radio active element i.e. the period of time within which it is expected to reduce half in its size. Scientists took an ancient rock as a sample and found that it contained 119 grams of uranium in it. A sample of stone taken from its neighborhood contained 309 grams of lead, which had actually come into existence after getting disintegrated from uranium. Scientists also found after their numerous experiments that on average disintegration of 238 gram of uranium made 206 gram of lead. So, after calculation they arrived at the conclusion that 306 gram of lead must have been made from 357 gram of uranium (238 x 309/ 206). Also that the present 119 gram of uranium was actually 357+ 119= 476 gram in its initial form long time ago.
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Mad Purple State
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Scientists have also found that uranium reduces to half in size in 456,00,000,00 years. That implies that it would take the above mentioned period of years for uranium weighing 476 grams to reduce to 238 grams. In the same manner it would take further 456,00,000,00 years for uranium piece weighing 238 grams to reduce to half i.e. 119 grams. Thus scientists on the basis of this theory assumed the age of the earth to be 45,60,00,00,000 + 45,60,00,00,000 = 912,00,000,00 years.
The most ancient rock has been discovered in Canada and after calculating in the above mentioned way scientists have found that the earth was 198,00,000,00 years old. This is the age of the earth as determined by the scientists and the most widely expected.
Now, let us consider what our ancient sages have said in this regard. The shloka given below is chanted before commencing any religious ceremony. It also gives an idea about the origin of earth. The shloka goes as follows--
"OM TATSADADHA BRAHMANO DWITIYA PARARDHE SHRI SHWET VARAH KALPE JAMBUDWEEPE BHARAT KHANDE ARYAVARTEK DESHANTARGAT KUMARIKA NAAM KSHETRE VAIVASWAT MANVANTRE ASHTAVINSHATI TAME KALIYUGE KALI PRATHAM CHARNE..................... ."
This shloka amazingly contains vital information related with earth's origin. In this shloka a word 'Parardh' has come. What is the meaning of this word? There is a shloka in Bhagwatpuran shedding ample light on it--
EVAM VIDDYE RAHAU RATRAIH KAAL GATYOP LAKSHITAIH,
APAKSHITAMI VASYAPI (BRAHMANAH) PARMAPURVAYAH SHATAM.
YADARDHA MAYUSHASTASYA PARARDHAM BHIDHIYATE,
PURVAH PARARDHO UPKRANTO HRIYARODYA PRAVARTATE.
MEANING-- Lord Brahma's age is 100 years. He has already crossed the first parardha (50 years) and entered the second one. The process of creation begins simultaneously with lord Brahma's day. At the end of the day night starts and which is of same duration. One day of Brahma (constituting of day and night) is equal to a KALPA of mortal world. There is a shloka in MANUSMRITI, which gives equation between Brahma's day (Kalpa) and divine years or Chaturyugas. The shloka is as follows--
DEVIKANAM YUGANAM TU SAHASTRAM PARISANKHYAYAA,
BRAHMA MEKAM HAGYEYAM TAVATIM RATRIMEVA CHA.
MEANING-- A day of Brahma (Kalpa) is equal to 1000 divine years or Chaturyugas. The night descends at the end of his day and its duration is same as the day.
A day of Brahma is equivalent to one Kalpa which itself consists of 14 manvantars as mentioned below--
1) Swayambhuv, 2) Swarochis, 3) Uttam, 4) Tamas, 5) Raivat, 6) Chakshush, 7) Vaivaswat, 8) Savarnik, 9) Daksha Savarnik, 10) Brahm Savarnik, 11) Dharma Savarnik, 12) Rudra Savarnik, 13) Rudra Savarnik, 14) Indra Savarnik. Presently the seventh manvantar- Vaivaswat is running and there are seven more manvantars to go.
Now, ONE MANVANTAR = 1000/14 DIVINE YEARS OR CHATURYUGAS= 71.42 CHATURYUGAS
The fractional expression that has come in the above division symbolizes what sages have called SANDHIKAAL- the intermediary period between two manvantars when the world is devoid of any creation. A sandhikaal constitutes of 4800 divine years, which is also the duration of Satyayuga. So, while calculating the age of the earth we can not overlook this aspect. Now, coming to the calculation part--
TOTAL PERIOD OF MANVANTAR = 14 x 71 = 994 CHATURYUGAS
PERIOD OF SANDHIKAAL =4800 x 15 = 72000 DIVINE YEARS = 6 CHATURYUGAS (since one chaturyuga= 1200 divine years)
The duration of each of the four yugas has been clearly described in the Mahabharata (188 / 22-26), which is as follows--" The duration of Satya yuga is 4800 divine years inclusive of 800 divine years of Sandhya and Sandhyansh periods. Treta yuga consists of 3600 divine years inclusive of 600 divine years of Sandhya and Sandhyansh periods. In the same manner Dwapar yuga consists of 2400 divine years inclusive of 400 divine years of Sandhya and Sandhyansh periods, while Kaliyuga consists of 1200 divine years inclusive of 100 divine years of Sandhya and Sandhyansh periods respectively.
Therefore a CHATURYUGA consists of 12000 (4800+ 3600+2400+1200 ) divine years. MANUSMRITI gives an equation between a divine year and the year of our mortal world in just one shloka---
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Mad Purple State
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DEVA RATRAHANI VARSH PRAVIBHAGASTYOH PUN,
AHASTA TRODA GAYANAM RATRIH SYAD DAKSHINAYANAM.
MEANING-- A divine day (including night) is equal to one year of this mortal world. The period during which Sun is north of equinox or uttarayan is the day time of the deities while the period during which Sun is south of equinox or Dakshinayan is their night time. So, after minute calculations our ancient sages arrived at the following conclusions--
Brahma has already completed his 15'th year as well as 6 manvantars and 7 sandhikaal of his first day.
(The earth is supposed to have come into existence on the first day of Brahma)
Till date 27 manvantars alongwith their Sandhikaals have already passed.
The three Yugas namely Satya, Treta and Dwapar of the present Manvantar, which is 28'th in order have already passed.
We are presently in 2059 year according to Vikram Samvat calendar, which implies that we are in fact running in the 5102'nd year of the
Kaliyuga. Now coming back to the final calculation--
6 MANVANTAR = 6 x 71CHATURYUGAS = 6 x 71 x 1200 DIVINE YEARS = 51,12,000 DIVINE YEARS.
THEIR SEVEN SANDHIKAALS = 4800x 7= 33,600 DIVINE YEARS
27 CHATURYUGAS OF THE 7'TH MANVANTAR= 1200x 27 DIVINE YEARS = 324 000 DIVINE YEARS
3 YUGAS HAVE ALREADY PASSED THAT MEANS 4800 + 3600 + 2400 = 10,800 DIVINE YEARS
WHEN ALL THE THREE DATAS GIVEN ABOVE ARE ADDED= 51,12,000 + 33,600 + 3,24,000 + 10,800 DIVINE YEARS = 54,80,600 DIVINE YEARS.
SINCE ONE DIVINE DAY IS EQUAL TO ONE YEAR OF THIS WORLD WHICH ACCORDING TO INDIAN ASTROLOGY CONSISTS OF 360 DAYS THEREFORE WHEN DIVINE YEARS ARE MULTIPLIED WITH IT THEN WE GET 5480600 x 360 = 1,97,29,49,069 YEARS OF THIS WORLD.
WHEN WE ADD 5102 YEARS OF THE KALIYUGA THEN WE GET 1972949069 + 5102= 1,97,29,49,102 YEARS OF THIS WORLD.
NOTE- ACCORDING TO HINDU BELIEF KALIYUGA STARTED 5102 YEARS AGO.
THIS WAY WE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE EARTH CAME INTO EXISTENCE 1,97,29,49,102 YEARS AGO WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT SCIENTISTS HAVE DISCOVERED IN THE MODERN AGE THAT IS 198,00,000,00 YEARS.
This amply goes to prove how advance was the science of mathematics in ancient India and also the perfection our ancient sages had in mathematical calculations. They had accurately calculated the age of the earth, which is very near to what science has arrived upon after countless experiments and much floundering. Man living in the present era bitten by the bug of modernism may try to underestimate the findings of our ancient sages but he should keep in mind that they determined the earth's age merely with the help of meditation and mathematical calculations. On the contrary science had to employ all the modern technology at its command to determine the same and even then it is not confident of its findings because the research is still going on and everyday something new is happening in the field of science. What one thing is established as a theory one day turns out to be a hypothesis another day. But, our sages have confidently proclaimed that the earth is 1,97,29,49,102 years old-- not one day more or less. Now, it depends upon you whom you want to believe?
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Cosmic Oneness
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^^^ Whoa Whoa ! This is gonna take a while to read !  ... Good Stuff nevertheless !
Daytripper forget about the circle, infinity and the one ! Make your own reality and figure it out ! Doesn't seem like the answers are on this thread and the forever questioning mind will take it's on time ! 
" All is One "
When we change the way we see things, the things we see begin to change ... In Lak'ech Ala K'in ... |
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less food , less work , less sleep, more acid equals to more spiritual..... ( the kind being written about before)
the middle path is also spiritual but it is being in perfect harmony with the nature of life to co-exist ..... oxy zen... meditation n all is bliss..a high without taking any substances.. but spirituality is not speaking about GOD but being in tune with life...understanding evolution.....of mind...spirit ..and the human spirit within all of us coming out....God and jesus is that inspiration for the human spirit to come out and in hinduism it is bettr explained and somehow it makes the entire understanding of nature and co-existence with the entire dietery habbits , geeta ( ethics) easier but these are all paths to get there and all i wanna say is that after you get there do u need GOD....
do u need the inspiration.....
i think the sun is a star ...and a god as well????
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I AM GOD & SO ARE YOU
everyone is one to the extent that "the one" is one too ................so to say that the cosmos is us and we are a part like a hand is a hand but belongs to my body so voila hey its not my hand but me with my hand and fingers stretched out and its the same if the hand could think for itself .
hinduism or any ism will write the most ideal for the ideal life and so on but each one of us as we become aware of things around us will be a geeta or a bible in itself , self knowledge ...................Yes meditation takes you to that level of understanding and bliss so do psychedelics but is not required in most senses .
random lines for random times
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On 2008-04-18 12:26, jabba wrote:
I AM GOD & SO ARE YOU
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the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!! |
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god is the good traits in a human being...the other darker traits are reversed by the good that god stands for.....so god is the shaping of the mind to think and do good, positive, humanatarian works....now yes yes god is within all of us  |
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^^ n so is the devil
"It's not the fall that kills you; it's the sudden stop at the end." - Douglas Adams |
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Mad purple state was talkin abt calendars above ,. he missed the amazing Mayan calender ... Which according to the 2 part documentary below ... starts at the begining of creation also prolly called as Big Bang and ends around oct28 2011 which is the end of creation... Don worry abt the ending lol ... life goes on after 2011 but with a diff level of conciousness ... anyways this guys explains how the mayan calender works,. its a nice info,. to beleive or not to beleive is left to each individual... here are the links,,,
The Mayan Calendar Comes North 01 - Ian Xel Lungold
Part 1 = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097
The Mayan Calendar Comes North 02 - Ian Xel Lungold
Part 2 = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232&q=&hl=en
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RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
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PS = Also in the above doc,. he explains the flow of consiousness from the day of creation and how its changin and how it might be in future n all that ... its a detailed doc abt how the mayan calender works... very interesting... |
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when we try and explain the infinite we always try n put in our own finite by the use of calendars....
time and space is actually the infinite tried to be put into a system through these planted theories......
can u measure time.....from when it all started ......aha ....
whatever time u tell me i will tell u why coudn't it start before that....
when did what start??
hehe confusing man...... 
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true dude... but this mayan calender i like it coz its a little different from the rest of the calenders... its not a completely time based calender nor it depends on any physical aspects such as how many days it takes earth to revolve around the sun like that... This mayan calender is a consciousness based calender... and ofcourse its doesnt explain anything before Big Bang nor after the end of creation... Thats left out and left to us to find out...  This mayan calender explains the flow of consciousness of everything, basically it focuses on humans from the point of time of creation till end of creation... and this time period is just a small part of the whole big scene... there are things before and beyond this scene... So its just an other interesting n fascinating calender for me when compared to all others coz its says how the consciousness is evolving thru this phase,.. And, im not saying the mayan calender will give answers to everything... And ofcourse there are numerous other methods n theories which try to explain it,. its left to u to choose which ones explain better...
Talkin abt theories…. U cant say this particular theory is wrong or that particular theory is right,. everyone has "one" theory to believe n explain abt "everything" ... no one is wrong or right coz its all still a quest/mystery n there is no solid proof to one thing … so all these theories just depends on anyone’s personal experience n access to knowledge n his belief thats all... and its all very interesting and makes some sense... even im in the same quest and im enjoying each n every theory n I have my own experiences... so lets all just wait n keep expanding our knowledge n cousciousness n spread the love n be good till then… and this whole journey is a learning process so keep ur mind open to identify little things in everything that u can pickup to improve ur consciousness… and ofcourse keep partyin n enjoy the journey n the learning process …
But,. curiosity always gets the better of us and we keep seeking answers and we want it now itself … so,. Until then to satisfy my curiosity, What I do is,. watever different theories that have come out till now or will come in future,. there is always a sensible part to it and some nonsense... so i take the sensible part of all the theories and throw away the nonsense out of it... mix it all well with science n spiritualism n etc etc whatever things there are,. plus add my own theories n experiences n belief... and see where it all matches… and it gives me a another theory which well... makes sense to me somewhat as of now... donno abt the rest... lol … and I don stick to any one theory or explanation n be so narrow minded abt it and fight that wat I say is only true… coz u just cant explain (to make understand others by words n theories) everything that u want to know in just one sentence or one theory... its all a mixture of lotsa things,. its pretty complex n simple at the same time… So… try this method n see… u will be open minded to all the possibilities (u only said infinite possibilities) and also not foolish enough to accept the stupid things at the same time… and its gonna make more sense than sticking to one thing…
Sigh!... See above … how much I typed, n see this thread how much discussion,. Questions and answers n theories n confusion, and millions of threads like this n blogs also, n millions of people asking the same questions with different answers n fighting…. That’s why some one devised a simple method or explained all this with just one word just to keep everyone a bit calm until everything reveals itself… And that one word is “God” … Isnt it so simple, when u ask a question and all I have to answer is God only knows… or God made it that way … saves a lot of trouble eh?!
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^^ haha .....well said mate
i agree and u have put the use and effect of the creation of god very well and i'd just like to add that the people who say that they know god and seen god must be shot naked...they are great liars ( sumthn like the story of the emperor's new clothes) ....and if the entire mindframe of everyone was same tho how could we rule each other ....why would anyone listen to anyone..hehe
so god was also created to divide and rule.....governance and kings made "god"
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