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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:15
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The question is if this is a Catch-22 as you make decisions according to your set up when you create/mix/master
So i must say im with google here even if the idea is correct that its all the same inside the computer...
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mquirk1
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:16
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yes, freeflow gets it. the original question was about whether the interface would affect the 'bounce/mixdown' quality from within cubase. the answer is no. done, thank god |
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Google
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:17
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On 2009-11-30 19:11, Freeflow wrote:
okej guys cool down
"mquirk1" is solely talking about the "mix down" inside of the program, also called, exporting, harddrive recording. in some cases people say bounce, which in my opinion is a different process, the process of make long audiofile edits to small segments, Ie bounce to set them free, also bounce several tracks to one... but its a different story
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But mix-down can only be done by listening!!!!! It is a process of making decisions based on aural output!!!!
exporting a file is not the same as mix-down 
and exporting a file can sound different depending on dither. |
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Google
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:19
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On 2009-11-30 19:16, mquirk1 wrote:
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yes, freeflow gets it. the original question was about whether the interface would affect the 'bounce/mixdown' quality from within cubase. the answer is no. done, thank god
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a bounce and mix-down are completely different things.
How do you arrive at the stage ready to bounce? you must have listened to what you was doing? or do you just switch your monitors off and look at the screen? |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:20
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ok nevermind, you don't get it either. read MeditationProfonde 's original post. he asked that exact question, whether a better interface would lead to a better 'export audio'/bounce etc quality. it isn't a catch-22 at all, the decisions you make when you mix have nothing to do with it.
i never said that upgrading your interface won't lead to a better mix, no shit it will. i said that your interface does not affect the QUALITY of the sound WITHIN the computer. anyway i'm out, hopefully MeditationProfonde and anyone else interested in this q get the point and aren't even more confused by your pointless irrelevant rambling about monitor chains and the like |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:22
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On 2009-11-30 19:19, Google wrote:
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On 2009-11-30 19:16, mquirk1 wrote:
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yes, freeflow gets it. the original question was about whether the interface would affect the 'bounce/mixdown' quality from within cubase. the answer is no. done, thank god
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a bounce and mix-down are completely different things.
How do you arrive at the stage ready to bounce? you must have listened to what you was doing? or do you just switch your monitors off and look at the screen?
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jesus are you purposely ignoring the vast majority of my posts which explain my point> did you not see the example about importing a wav into cubase then using 'export audio'?
why didn't you reply to that. are you telling me if you 'export audio' with a better interface it will sound different? |
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mquirk1
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:23
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On 2009-11-30 19:19, Google wrote:
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On 2009-11-30 19:16, mquirk1 wrote:
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yes, freeflow gets it. the original question was about whether the interface would affect the 'bounce/mixdown' quality from within cubase. the answer is no. done, thank god
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a bounce and mix-down are completely different things.
How do you arrive at the stage ready to bounce? you must have listened to what you was doing? or do you just switch your monitors off and look at the screen?
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sorry how is bounce and mixdown different? they are both just terms for the process of turning your mix/huge amount of audio tracks in to one stereo file? |
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Google
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:28
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On 2009-11-30 19:20, mquirk1 wrote:
ok nevermind, you don't get it either. read MeditationProfonde 's original post. he asked that exact question, whether a better interface would lead to a better 'export audio'/bounce etc quality. it isn't a catch-22 at all, the decisions you make when you mix have nothing to do with it.
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they have everything to do with it. you have to listen to what your going to bounce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ya: 
bouncing a track or multiple tracks in not something that happens in isolation. It is part of a process. You would have created the sound and composition as well as maybe other processing before you bounce. ALL of these things will require you to listen via your monitor chain.
Yes bouncing in one DAW will not sound different to another (actually this is not true when you consider dither) but its irrelevant as you can't dismiss the fact that the whole production process is based on what you hear!! So decisions would have to be made before you get to that bounce process. You can't escape that. So the DAC does have relevance. It doesn't effect it directly. But again that misses the point. It effects everything up until that point. So it is very relevant. |
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Google
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:30
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On 2009-11-30 19:23, mquirk1 wrote:
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On 2009-11-30 19:19, Google wrote:
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On 2009-11-30 19:16, mquirk1 wrote:
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yes, freeflow gets it. the original question was about whether the interface would affect the 'bounce/mixdown' quality from within cubase. the answer is no. done, thank god
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a bounce and mix-down are completely different things.
How do you arrive at the stage ready to bounce? you must have listened to what you was doing? or do you just switch your monitors off and look at the screen?
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sorry how is bounce and mixdown different? they are both just terms for the process of turning your mix/huge amount of audio tracks in to one stereo file?
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a bounce is a process of rendering the output of selected channel(s)to a audio file.
Mix-down is the process of mixing tracks into a mix (usually a stereo mix). It is a huge process which can be done ITB or externally.
A bounce is just a type of recording process.
They are quite different things they really are. |
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 19:32
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So i thought I'd post this up here to possibly help anyone who ends up going though what I did.
I am making the switch to a Mac book pro from a PC and I have the Presonus Firebox sound card.
I am use'in Ablton to mix and what not. I had the hardest time figuring out why I was not getting a headphone cue to work right.
After a bunch of head scratching I figured out that the mixer program that comes with the Firebox was not doing anything.
It was loading fine and everything was working like buttons and sliders but it was not doing anything to the sound.
Without the use of this mixer you cannot tell the soundcard to out put what channels to the headphone jack. Thus no cue...
It is set to default setting and that tells it to mix all channels to headphone jack.
I am running the headphones into the #5 out put on back of the soundcard, thats the only way I could figure it out short buy'in a new sound card.
Anyone els use'in the Fire box with a Mac book pro?
Any fix out there for the fire box mixer in OSx?
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Google
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 20:16
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On 2009-11-30 19:14, mquirk1 wrote:
ugh you keep ignoring the majority of my posts, i feel like i am speaking to a brick wall here so i am going to give up after this post. but for the millionth time:
1. i am NOT TALKING ABOUT MIX DECISIONS
2. i am NOT TALKING ABOUT "TWEAKING"
3. i am NOT TALKING ABOUT MIXING
4. i am NOT TALKING ABOUT PRODUCING
the original question was whether upgrading your interface would INSTANTLY make your mix of a better quality. here is a better example
you are using some crap bottom range emu interface. import a wav of some finished commercial track in cubase. now hit 'export audio mixdown'. done
now, switch to your uber $2000 interface. import the SAME wav of some finished commercial track in cubase. now hit 'export audio mixdown'. will it sound exactly the same as the mixdown you did with the emu interface? YES.
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It won't sound the same upon playback. And is all irrelevant as in the real world of music production you actually create the music yourself, you don't import a CD track for some experiment that has no relevance to actually making music in ITB. |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 13:22
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RME HDSP9632 or Focusrite Saffire Pro 24? With the saffire you can get rid of the mixer but how good is the card?
THoughts are welcome!
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orange
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 09:17
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On 2009-12-06 13:22, A.Rosengren wrote:
RME HDSP9632 or Focusrite Saffire Pro 24? With the saffire you can get rid of the mixer but how good is the card?
THoughts are welcome!
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actually both are pretty good.
i would choose ( like i have ) the rme in terms of drivers and stability.
bypassing the mixer of the interface maybe makes a difference but even if it is its so small that is inaudible anyways..
what makes a difference is bypassing the summing engine of your sequencer.
i did it once in flstudio sending 6 stereo groups of audio directly to 12 outputs in the rme and recording the audio in an external recorder... it was indeed audibly better but a real hassle to do everytime if you dont have a big mixer!
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 13:59
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Thanks for the input, I also read that you get a plugin-suite with the focusrite?
We've been going over the RME several times and it sure sounds good and is stable but it's getting pretty old no?
Focusrite looks more attractive, I haven'r heard it yet though.
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orange
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 17:41
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On 2009-12-07 13:59, A.Rosengren wrote:
Thanks for the input, I also read that you get a plugin-suite with the focusrite?
We've been going over the RME several times and it sure sounds good and is stable but it's getting pretty old no?
Focusrite looks more attractive, I haven'r heard it yet though.
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well let me put it that way... for a pc studio RME is the way to go.. if you want to experience other intarfaces fine by me.. if you want rock solid performance with great sound than rme is your deal!
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