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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 07:46
For some reason the mypsace player isn't working on firefox. It says I need to install flash but it is installed.

conqueru


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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 07:58
One thing i learnt in the last week or so is that normalizing an audio event and raising gain are two completely different things.
Normalizing raises the volume to the peak rms of the track. eg: if your sample flows at -8db but spikes at -4db it will even the sample to -4db. (or what you set your limit to)
Gain will raise all elements within the sample.
eg: your sample flows at -8db and peaks at -4db, if you raise the gain by 2db, your peak will be -2db.

Hope this helps,
De Ja Vic
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 08:14
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On 2009-02-08 07:58, conqueru wrote:
One thing i learnt in the last week or so is that normalizing an audio event and raising gain are two completely different things.
Normalizing raises the volume to the peak rms of the track. eg: if your sample flows at -8db but spikes at -4db it will even the sample to -4db. (or what you set your limit to)
Gain will raise all elements within the sample.
eg: your sample flows at -8db and peaks at -4db, if you raise the gain by 2db, your peak will be -2db.

Hope this helps,
De Ja Vic





Sorry there chap but that is not right.

Normalizing is a gain adjustment. The crest factor (the difference between peak and RMS values) remains the same with both normalizing and gain adjustments.
x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 08:40
Yeah his right, in your particular example if your sample flows at -10 but spikes at -2 it will normalize to -2 and if your sample flows at -10 but spikes at -4 and u gain it 2 dB peak will again be -2..
Raising gain is nothing but manual normalizing, which by the way i prefer since its faster.. I never normalize single file, except in cases I need batch process set of files (like tracks for mix or recorded samples) so i spare some time..           http://www.facebook.com/xrayzproductions
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jorge
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 03:52
kick and bass -6 dbs, master track on 0 dbs,

i would recommend you the -6db kick and bass cuz you are leaving some headroom for the final master
~d2~
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 14:03
I found this today on the Digi website.

It explains a bit about bit rates for mixing and all that technical geek stuff. Its quite useful read.

As I love you guys so much I though I would share

http://foogle.woogle.googlepages.com/Mixing_in_the_Box_26689.pdf
x-rayz
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thx for the love D, keep it coming           http://www.facebook.com/xrayzproductions
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sinful reactions
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 02:27
hi i dont think that with kick and bass at -6db you leave headroom cause when you mix the rest of sounds like percs fx melos and stuff the master volume will clip for shure.

try kick at -11db and bass at same or lower 1 or 2 db(depends on bass).

thats how we do it and works realy fine my master goes to -6db when all sounds playing good for mastering.

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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 03:03
dBFS I presume sinful.

+1 on your level recommendations. Nice and safe
jizy
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Posted : Apr 12, 2009 20:44
http://www.udma.com.ua/academy/index.php?path=ANDIVAX-MixingSecrets_Video_Tutorial/

can anyone conferm that this link works.. mine dosnt. cheers
Wire_Conex
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Posted : Apr 17, 2009 08:29
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On 2009-03-18 02:27, sinful reactions wrote:
hi i dont think that with kick and bass at -6db you leave headroom cause when you mix the rest of sounds like percs fx melos and stuff the master volume will clip for shure.

try kick at -11db and bass at same or lower 1 or 2 db(depends on bass).

thats how we do it and works realy fine my master goes to -6db when all sounds playing good for mastering.

P.L.U.R.




Lol I use Kick at -3.5db and Bass about -1.5db lower than the kick.
But each style of e-music use diferents volumes.           www.myspace.com/kromaticmusic
Radioactive.Cake
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Posted : Aug 31, 2009 17:04
i use different group channels...one for kick and bass with a limiter at -6 and one for fx for example with -12, another for loops out of different genres at -9 and one for atmospheres or stuff !

although you need to bring a good balance the sounds before limiting them because with those "limiting groups", a too loud signal with damp the other signals (played at the same time) in such a group !!!

but for me this is a course that works because usually i'm in contact with mastering people and i ask them about mixing mistakes and critical freqs and peaks that i made, but normally it's all good...and there is headroom enough for the mastering guys

sometimes if i want a sound very much in the foreground i do not send it through those limiting groups. but then i need EQing...           Radioactive.Cake - intelligent dark minimal psygressive
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Posted : Jul 24, 2010 05:48
So I decided to resurrect this thread. I do like Radioactive.Cake does. Is grouping channels and limiting the individual channels the right way to go about things? Basically, I group all my synth sounds (leads, effects, atmospheric noises) into 1 channel, the kick and bass to another, then the remaining percussion to another. Then I limit each of those, then route them all to the master with another limiter. Is that kosher? I know a lot of this isn't right or wrong per say, but I'm wondering if I'm losing anything by doing it this way. I try not to set the threshold on any limiter too high (or low I guess).           
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kotton


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Posted : Aug 4, 2010 00:30
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On 2009-03-18 02:27, sinful reactions wrote:
hi i dont think that with kick and bass at -6db you leave headroom cause when you mix the rest of sounds like percs fx melos and stuff the master volume will clip for shure.

try kick at -11db and bass at same or lower 1 or 2 db(depends on bass).

thats how we do it and works realy fine my master goes to -6db when all sounds playing good for mastering.

P.L.U.R.





hi!!

Im a noob so hope you dont mind me asking.
Youre talking about peaks of the kick should be kept at -11db and not position of volume faders, right? So its ok if the peak of a kick drum track is -11db (or -6db as suggested by others) but the volume fader of that same kick track is positioned at 0db (or anywhere else). So its ok to work that way??

Thank you!!
Nomad Moon
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Posted : Aug 4, 2010 16:46
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On 2010-08-04 00:30, kotton wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-03-18 02:27, sinful reactions wrote:
hi i dont think that with kick and bass at -6db you leave headroom cause when you mix the rest of sounds like percs fx melos and stuff the master volume will clip for shure.

try kick at -11db and bass at same or lower 1 or 2 db(depends on bass).

thats how we do it and works realy fine my master goes to -6db when all sounds playing good for mastering.

P.L.U.R.





hi!!

Im a noob so hope you dont mind me asking.
Youre talking about peaks of the kick should be kept at -11db and not position of volume faders, right? So its ok if the peak of a kick drum track is -11db (or -6db as suggested by others) but the volume fader of that same kick track is positioned at 0db (or anywhere else). So its ok to work that way??

Thank you!!



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