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PoM
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Posted : Jan 12, 2010 01:40
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to make it easy you could just experiment by starting a track with a small mastering chain on your master , a good sounding track to a/b + somme good metering and frequency analizer and clean ears  |
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orgytime
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Posted : Jan 12, 2010 01:45
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Posted : Jan 12, 2010 01:51
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man it can really help , just try ozone on your master for example,fast speed try 0.2 to start, no internal sample peak detection,intelligent mode ,then make your beat and squash the shit out of it with ozone to maybe - 8rms or even more and hear from what comes the distortion or things that sound wrong and fix them , you may not process your kick and bassline the same way for example, things like that, you may soften the sound if you find it too harsh i dont know.
first advice was better with the a/bing and when you find a mastering chain that work for you.
some tracks distort more easly than others it can depends of the source used ,processing,low end... i mastered mostly my tracks and friends so i dont have much experience,you may minmize the disortion by getting loud slowly ,using lof of different process in the mix but i think it would be lot of work |
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orgytime
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Posted : Jan 12, 2010 23:51
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Posted : Feb 15, 2010 08:21
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hi, i got some questions to Q10-Paragraphic Equalizer of waves(10-bandEQ).
please check page 3 http://www.ugm-records.de/tuts/Mastering%20Tutorial.pdf
i read that its used in the mastering stage for farmant reduction.
is this EQ comonly used for real instruments, or is it also used for electronic music? i found it much more helpful to use it for real instrument mixes.
do you also use such eq´s in the mixing stage? because if you use it on the whole mix, it easily destroys the sound.
i mastered some real instrumet tracks with this eq, and the difference is awesome, beacause it removes some loud freq´s.
if i use this eq on a synth (standard saw for example), its very strange to me...
because the loud peaks appear every octave and eq-ing would never stop.
do you have any guide how to use this eq (also in the mixing stage)?
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Posted : Feb 16, 2010 10:37
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Posted : Feb 16, 2010 18:18
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On 2010-02-15 08:21, orgytime wrote:
hi, i got some questions to Q10-Paragraphic Equalizer of waves(10-bandEQ).
is this EQ comonly used for real instruments, or is it also used for electronic music? |
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You can use Q10 on any sound.
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Yes, sometimes, if I need to notch out one specific frequency, or if I need a certain type of highpass filter.
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Not true. You can use the Q10 in mastering too - I use Q4 for highpass.
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if i use this eq on a synth (standard saw for example), its very strange to me...
because the loud peaks appear every octave and eq-ing would never stop.
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You can use this EQ on synth sounds AND natural sounds.
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 17:41
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 18:20
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never seen so much notches man, -7 to - 10b with so much notches,welcome artifacts... on a clean sound it would destroy it ,just my experience... , listen carfully to ringing and your transients too,notchs can destroy transients easily.
what you notches could be room issue maybe, and it s a vicious circle, the more you use notche the more you need new notches cause often others bad freq popup , then you end up with 7 notches, then click bypass and it sound better lol |
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 19:10
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I tend to lower my chanels the longer I produce psytrance.
Meanwhile my mixes end up at a peak of around -10 db and then the avarage rms is around 19-21 .. before my premasterings.(I bounce at - 5.5 db-though I guess that is not a problem.)
Is it too low..? Should I raise the channels..?
If I use limiters on channels I think I do sth wrong the output is on around -5 db..which is a lot..
I've read one should not go under - 1 db at limiters,but if I set them higher then -5 it does not really touch the threshhold but cost lots of resoursed on the cpu.
I'd be glad to get some help.
Peace
ps my premastering chain looks like: ( I "learned"or tried or was inspired alot from post from ColinOOOD)
and a few other sides etc but being bloody beginer I am curious if someone could give me a theoretical help to improve my experiments or avoid some no go's.
1.hp
2 .eq a bit dip down between 400-800 a smal up at 1khz
3.imager
4.brainworx - some mono splitting and lowpass and a few things more depending on the mix
5.compressor - this tune now threshhold -16 db ration 1.2 make up 2db a bit warmth ,often sidechain eq
6.inflator
7.limiter
8. (on the end at the dithering part of wavelab) maximizer
I spent most time on this,spend houres of going back to mix after analyse before even premaster- which is not what I intend.Any help is very welcome.
Peace
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 20:39
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On 2010-02-17 19:10, TimeTraveller wrote:
(I bounce at - 5.5 db-though I guess that is not a problem.)
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Sorry for asking, but what does bounce mean in this situation?
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ps my premastering chain looks like: ( I "learned"or tried or was inspired alot from post from ColinOOOD)
and a few other sides etc but being bloody beginer I am curious if someone could give me a theoretical help to improve my experiments or avoid some no go's.
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I'm also a beginner @ mastering. What was this thread called, as a search didn't give any results for me.
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4.brainworx - some mono splitting and lowpass and a few things more depending on the mix
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The brainworx only put's the low frequencies in mono and leaves the rest alone?
http://soundcloud.com/short-circuit
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 21:13
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Hi
bouncing is another word for exporting to audio.Like for instance if you would like to free a bit your cpu from virtual synthesizers,you can select a midi file and export it to audio.You bounce the file.
To the second question of you I can say that I do not know anymore,since I have not saved it I have a bit in memory and it was similar to my way of experimenting with masterig before - from other readings .But it was a topic somewhere in the last 1o pages ,if not even somewhere in this thread.
To Brainworx:
I start to play around with it,I do not know exactly or not enough about this but you can seperate mono from stereo at each frequency you would like to.
You can also generally decide at under which frequency all shall be mono - with the mono maker,
and apart of it you can work with the mono and the stereo section both on their own.
I do not know if this all is correct,the only help I ever got in my life regarding music was from reading apart of maybe 1% of very few comments dedicated to me.Indeed I never asked in my whole life for any help in music before I started to create psytrance,although I'm making music for decades even if not psytrance.And I can say I helped alot ,even from beginnig to vinyls for many but in hip hop and not really in production with sequencers.
I regard myself as a completely beginner in production can even not tell you if it is right what I was answering you.If however it helps I'd be glad.Peace
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 18, 2010 01:05
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On 2010-02-17 18:20, PoM wrote:
never seen so much notches man, -7 to - 10b with so much notches,welcome artifacts... on a clean sound it would destroy it ,just my experience... , listen carfully to ringing and your transients too,notchs can destroy transients easily.
what you notches could be room issue maybe, and it s a vicious circle, the more you use notche the more you need new notches cause often others bad freq popup , then you end up with 7 notches, then click bypass and it sound better lol
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haha PoM this is exactly what i wanted to say^^
now we come closer to my question...
i feel like its easier to notch on real instruments... i got very good results... the thing you said happened, one notch leads to another ringing freq... but in the end it sounded great.
but if i notch simple sawtooths everything gots fucked up like you said.
and i dont get the point of this "ringing feqs", if i notch for example a sawtooth wave, it will ring on EVERY octave, so how do i know where to notch?
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Posted : Feb 18, 2010 01:52
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On 2010-02-17 21:13, TimeTraveller wrote:
bouncing is another word for exporting to audio.Like for instance if you would like to free a bit your cpu from virtual synthesizers,you can select a midi file and export it to audio.You bounce the file.
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Ok I do that but have always called it resample. I use one template that will be all the synths and midi data, and another for the same project with just the resamples or bounced file. Saves on cpu use, and you can really mess around with the audio file.
http://soundcloud.com/short-circuit
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 18, 2010 02:02
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On 2010-02-18 01:05, orgytime wrote:
now we come closer to my question...
i feel like its easier to notch on real instruments... i got very good results... the thing you said happened, one notch leads to another ringing freq... but in the end it sounded great.
but if i notch simple sawtooths everything gots fucked up like you said.
and i dont get the point of this "ringing feqs", if i notch for example a sawtooth wave, it will ring on EVERY octave, so how do i know where to notch?
cheers
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for mastering i never used notch but i m sure it s useffull sometimes, but if the track need 10 notchs at mastering it s strange to me , i would try a dynamic eq it can be useful, so it really notchs when the peak resonance is there ,think if the peak resonance sound bad only on one bassline note for example.
about your questions i have no ideas ,but you dont have to notchs everyhting,if you have lot of bad resonance maybe try to listen to your monitors outside if it s possible to see if its the room, or maybe on headphone
check this intresting read http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/about-audio-signal-coloration/ |
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