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piXan
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 15:46
thanx williandiesel
, i will try a combination of these 2 as to not overdo any process when premastering for live use. Im also thinking try other limiters like PSP MPL for a change.

          www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
psilonaut
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Posted : Mar 8, 2008 02:58
If anyone is willing it would be interesting to hear before and after mastering versions of a track (Or a small section of a track).
          My tracks:
www.myspace.com/psilonautmusic
www.myspace.com/listentobleep
Cannabis
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Posted : Mar 8, 2008 03:02
go on
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Hypnotik


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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 14:37
agree with psilonaut, Domestic (ido ophir) did it in a post but links to mastered & non mastered track are dead
MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 10, 2008 22:29
ok folks, I uploaded something from a track of mine.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/j1mufu

I'm no pro, but I think you can get the idea...oh and btw, please excuse the damn quality everything of this was done on headphones yet since I got not much time to produce in my studio lately...           https://soundcloud.com/hazak

"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!"
MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 11, 2008 00:55
I forgot to add, for those that are interested:

the chain persists of eq -> multiband compander -> eq -> tape saturation -> m/s eq -> adaptive limiter

          https://soundcloud.com/hazak

"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!"
Cannabis
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Posted : Apr 20, 2008 21:45
Hey guys, need some help.
After I've done the mix down in a balanced way instrumentally, and -2db peak @ 32bit.
I split the files into 4 bands and put slight compression on them, and then limit to get it loud. but as much as I try, i don't get that Pro loudness, I want.
I think I am as much as 3db behind those good tracks.

Another question about band compression on mix down file. Is it just to glue things together or to crank up the volume as well? How is it done correctly?

Thanks           -------------------------------------------------
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 21:12
Quote:

On 2008-03-08 02:58, psilonaut wrote:
If anyone is willing it would be interesting to hear before and after mastering versions of a track (Or a small section of a track).


OOOD - Free Range - Mastering Comparison.mp3
http://mastering.psytunes.info/OOOD_-_Free_Range_-_Mastering_Comparison.mp3

0:00 - 0:48 Smoke A Lot (unmastered)
0:48 - 1:36 Smoke A Lot (Mastering A)
1:36 - 2:16 Oh My (unmastered)
2:16 - 2:57 Oh My (Mastering B)
2:57 - 3:56 Marijuajuana (unmastered)
3:56 - 4:55 Marijuajuana (Mastering A)
4:55 - 5:54 Eye of the Beholder (unmastered)
5:54 - 6:53 Eye of the Beholder (Mastering A)

Mastering A - mastered by Duncan Morrison @ The Cutting Suite, London - http://www.thecuttingsuite.com/
Mastering chain
TC Finalizer 3-band compressor
Oram Sonics Hi-Def 35 EQ - http://www.oram.co.uk/hidef35.htm
Manley Variable-Mu Compressor/Limiter - http://www.manleylabs.com/containerpages/mu99.html
Waves L2 Limiter/IDR dither

Mastering B - mastered by me at the Stooodio, Bristol
Mastering Chain
Waves M/S Matrix
Waves LinEQ Lowband
Waves LinEQ Broadband
Waves LinMB
Focusrite Compounder - http://www.focusrite.com/products/platinum/compounder/
Waves S1 Imager
Steinberg ME Loudness Maximiser
Waves L3

All tracks engineered by me, except Eye of the Beholder which was engineered by Ott. His unmastered mix is closest to the mastered version - but then he was a professional freelance engineer for many years.
          Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net
Cannabis
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Posted : Apr 27, 2008 00:39
Hey Colin,

Why do you put a stereo compressor before limiters after you have already done multiband compressing?
2nd question: why do you use 2 limiters at the end of the chain?

thanks           -------------------------------------------------
orgytime
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Posted : Apr 27, 2008 20:43
hi guys, after creating a few track with cubase SX i noticed how important mastering is.

i got a few questions:

do you master the whole finished track with only 1 EQ?
i use the Kjärhus GEQ7 for each single line (lead, bass, kick, hihats...) is that wrong?


i got here an example and hope you can help me:
http://files.filefront.com/masteringmp3/;10090103;/fileinfo.html

somehow the whole thing sounds to creamy ^^ if you understand.
orgytime
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 21:11
hey there, i´ve checked out now the mastering vid earlier in this thread from Andi.

i got some questions, please tell me if im wrong!

Kick, Bass ... 0HZ-120HZ
Leads, Pads ... 120HZ-8KHZ
Percussion .... 8KHZ-22KHZ

but... i have to cut off my leads from 10KHZ, not from 8KHZ because otherwise it sounds bad... am i doing wrong?

i also need the amount of [db] for each instrument... how shold i know that? i have got good ears about harmonics, but mastering is really hard to hear.

the idea about mastering is to cut off frequency of each instrument in the right position, that they are not disturbing each other, right?

its really hard to understand everything, additional my poor english makes it not easier.

if you dont want to tell me, you maybe have some links what get me closer to my questions.

greetings orgy
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 28, 2008 23:18
Quote:

On 2008-04-27 00:39, Cannabis wrote:
Hey Colin,

Why do you put a stereo compressor before limiters after you have already done multiband compressing?
2nd question: why do you use 2 limiters at the end of the chain?

thanks



I find that using a few different compressors lets me work with various different aspects of a track's dynamics; in fact I think this is one of the secrets to good mastering - compress more than once with different units, with each set to compress less than you'd use if you were only using one of them. For instance, sometimes I use L2 as the first plugin in the chain to cope with the wilder peaks many inexperienced producers leave in their mixes, before compressing again further down the chain. Note also that I didn't master most of the tunes in that clip, and that multiple compressors were used by both Duncan and myself when mastering the album. The L2 on Duncan's mastering was never driven harder than -1dB on the input fader.

In answer to your second question (assuming you were talking about the Oh My track), the Steinberg plugin is more than a straight limiter (although I don't know exactly what it does) and I was using just a little of it to raise the level whilst it did its compressing thing - I liked how it sounded for that purpose, although I now use the Oxford Inflator in its place.
          Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net
UnderTow


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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 16:57
Hey Colin,

Do you use the Bass Expand function of the Compounder in mastering? (With the HUGE button engaged?)

UnderTow
orgytime
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 17:04
Quote:

On 2008-04-28 21:11, orgytime wrote:
hey there, i´ve checked out now the mastering vid earlier in this thread from Andi.

i got some questions, please tell me if im wrong!

Kick, Bass ... 0HZ-120HZ
Leads, Pads ... 120HZ-8KHZ
Percussion .... 8KHZ-22KHZ

but... i have to cut off my leads from 10KHZ, not from 8KHZ because otherwise it sounds bad... am i doing wrong?

i also need the amount of [db] for each instrument... how shold i know that? i have got good ears about harmonics, but mastering is really hard to hear.

the idea about mastering is to cut off frequency of each instrument in the right position, that they are not disturbing each other, right?

its really hard to understand everything, additional my poor english makes it not easier.

if you dont want to tell me, you maybe have some links what get me closer to my questions.

greetings orgy




sorry that im disturbing again, but im here to share/get experience.
if my questions are to stupit for you, then could you please just post a link what helps me out.

at the moment im stucked with this problem and i dont know where i should get this information.

greetings
Colin OOOD
Moderator

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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 20:08
Quote:

On 2008-04-29 16:57, UnderTow wrote:
Hey Colin,

Do you use the Bass Expand function of the Compounder in mastering? (With the HUGE button engaged?)

UnderTow


I do indeed, but generally only a touch (first notch above FLAT) and with the position of the HUGE button depending on the tune. I tend not to use the Compounder on my own tracks though, as I use a fair bit of HUGE on the kick and bass, and HUGING it twice is usually a bit much.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net
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