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THE MOTHER OF ALL DSP CARDS

SynthOn

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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 03:49:02
Tc Electronics
UAD

etc..

Anyone with problems?
What about the quality of the pluggings?

hugaw


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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 10:40
UAD : No problems
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SCM

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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 11:08
1: put card in computers free pci-x slot (1x/2x or 4x)
2: Install drivers and plugins (one file)
3: start host (live, logic, cubase etc.)
4. open desired UAD-plugin - it will run on the dsp-card and not use your CPU.
5. All OTHER plugins will NOT run on the DSP card.
6. UAD- PLugins will involve latency. depending on your system latency. most hosts will compensate this latency.
7. UAD- card comes with some ok plugins, but most good plugins have to be purchased seperately.
8. most uad cards come with vouchers which will allow you to buy some plugins.
9: UAD Plugins usually cost between 100-300USD.
10. UAD Plugins are very high quality.
11. UAD-1 has very little power. only runs VERY FEW of some newer plugins like neve.
12. Definitly buy UAD-2 not UAD-1 - except if very low price second hand. (2008)           Most of my music for you to download at:
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 15:30
dsp cards are dongles, you don t need them if you have a good cpu , or buy hardware insteed .
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 16:05
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On 2008-12-10 15:30, PoM wrote:
dsp cards are dongles, you don t need them if you have a good cpu , or buy hardware insteed .


Sure if you have good hardware you don't need a good CPU or good DSP card.
And if you have a good DSP card you don't need a good CPU or good hardware.

Question is if it's good value...IMO DSP cards is unbeatable value compared to hardware as well as native.
If you run only cracked plugins of course that is hard to beat native solutions in value, but even so I really suffer working without my Scope since it's really not any hardware or native solutions that can compete when it comes to quality, convenience and flexibility.           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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Seppa


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Posted : Dec 10, 2008 19:41
Hi, being the owner of a Dunde Pcie, a powercore pcie, and a uad-1 , I would like to share why I've got them.

First off I do not own dsp cards because of the dsp, this is not the main reason at least. I have a powerful computer so I could do without.

The reason that brought me to buy'em was the specific plugins that I wanned and was solely available with those dsp cards.

The duende has the best soft eqs and origninal ssl comp.its simply the alogarythm that they have on their c200 digital console (I had the waves, its good but not as goodD)


x It was really the need to have a good reverb that pretty much forced me to buy the powercore. since i tried a lot of native solutions I was never happy with the reverb available. with the vss3 I'm very happy. I get what I need.

As for the uad I got it because of the 1176, the fairchild and pultec. althoug these are outstanding plugins. you can do without. while I would never get rid of the duende and powercore (unless something even better comes up)

Now in some case like the powercore and duende. the dsp is an advantage, your eqs,dynamics and reverb are handled by your dsp living you cpu breathe. On the other hand with the uad the problem is reversed not enough power to use them as much as i need. Of course with the new uad 2 that problem would be gone.

IThere is no native plugins that rivals the best dsp plugins. even the sonnox are not as good as the duende eq and dynamics. as for the gml option its only available with tdm(dsp)

The flux run natively but are only as good in the very clean mastering like eqs.


orgytime
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 09:09
if those holy UAD plugins are so great, why noone cracks them and makes them working without dsp-card...
i was looking for the famous EQ but didnt find anything... i really wont pay more then 2000€ for uad2 and then spend more then 100-300€ for the plugins lol           www.myspace.com/orgytimestudio
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vegetal
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 09:56
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On 2008-12-11 09:09, orgytime wrote:
if those holy UAD plugins are so great, why noone cracks them and makes them working without dsp-card...
i was looking for the famous EQ but didnt find anything... i really wont pay more then 2000€ for uad2 and then spend more then 100-300€ for the plugins lol



Why noone cracks them? wow emulate a DSP-card and to do all that work for free. Just remember when .... was it H20 that cracked the syncrosoft dongle? Anyway that took some major time imagine to first figure out the DSP-chip then port it to a x86 code..... then crack the actual plugin make them accept the emulated dspcard. I don´t think you will see that coming mate. I even doubt that DVD-Jon (the norwegian who figured out how to crack dvd and itunes protection) could accomplish that           Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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gutter
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 14:07
i own too a TC pcie and use some of the plugins of the bundle they give for free
i like the two reverbs , ClassicVerb and Mega Reverb they are nice sounding and good for fx reverbs , also theyve made a plug called filtroid, quite nice for weird filtering modulations and a very nice denoiser if u find any use (for ex. voice samples) and a nice compressor the 24-7-C

Beside those which are very nice plugins you can always buy more expensive and "professional" tools like the SYstem 6000 with the awesome vss3 reverb and others Seppa mentioned above (btw i dont think theres a better reverb vst on the market)
and of course the Virus for powercore, which im using it too (though it has some bugs which finally TC and Access decided to fix and release a newer version, not published yet) and also i adore the SH 101 emulation, i dont know why exactly, i love its dirty crunchy sound (its free on the bundle btw)

UAD on the other hand (unfortunately not an owner) has the best dynamic processors of all , EQ and Compressors are the best quality sounding on DAW digital domain, also the Plate reverb must be very good as ive read for percussion and vocals

Also Sonic Scope has of the best synthesizers from what ive heard on samples, the Modular synth form Creamware and a guitar vst plugin sound unbelievable great
and there are a lot of third party developers for plugins like the Adern modules for kicks (these must be great) and many others

So you could divide those in somehow what they offer best:

Powercore - Reverb, Virus, Fx

UAD - Dynamics, Channels Strips, Reverb

Sonic Scope - Synthesizers , Fx

as for the Duende, i have no opinion, it is only the EQ and compressor (with opportunity to handle many instances though), so it can only be compared to the UAD it this area and dont know really which from both could stand for most type of mixes , i guess UAD plugins are much more versatile than the SSL (only guess)

ps
i would very much love to upgrade my brain with the new Shark DSPs too to make me to load much more instances to handle so many shit happen out there everyday.. so much insaneness to equalize and why not, apply some delay maybe and pass it through some nice filters.. woow,, would be very interesting and tempting
Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 14:16
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On 2008-12-11 14:07, gutter wrote:
and why not, apply some delay maybe and pass it through some nice filters.. woow,, would be very interesting and tempting


One of the great things with Scope is that you do no have to settle for a filter delay.
Using the modular you have a choice of 100's of modules to route the feedback signal through. Or if you like you can route trough external effects devices or even patch it via the sequencer and a VST.           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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gutter
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 14:34

yeah Spindrit man, unfortunately i have no more pci slots available on my head haha
(it was a reference on my personal brain upgrading), nice add/info though
pleiadian
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 15:24
I own a UAD1 pcie and it is a really great card. running great on IDeneb Leopard , but one thing to consider for those who are building a dual boot system XP/osx86 is set the time correctly before you install the card and the plugins. Otherwise you will get lots of annoying pop ups and eventually the demos will expire even without being tested. then uad customer service might send you a system reset which actually might not work.

Rebooting a hackintosh system to XP and vice versa will definately fuck up the time, so look for the patches on the insanely mac forums.

In spite of what being said it is a great card to have , great plugins for dynamics and eq.

would love to see some analog synth emulation with really tight envelopes!

I might be looking for a second one soon as prices dropping due to UAD2
nikovila


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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 15:57
What about focusrite liquid mix? someone tried it?

The liquid mix 16 and liquid mix are like DSP systems with Control Surface

i heard they have good emulations, is this right?
PoM
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 18:08
the plugins are nice for sure (talking about uad and duende ,dont know the others ) but no one will notice if you used dsp cards or your sequencer stock plugins in the end .
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Posted : Dec 11, 2008 23:11
Oh yes I think alot actually will, they just dont know what the reason is...           http://www.myspace.com/fragletrollet
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