A work in progress. Pictures don't open in new window yet. Needs an inline mp3 player.
Explanations and writing, may or may not be complete. I might change some wording, or some style.
All feedback welcome...
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Zoopy
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 09:27
Operator in ableton has been great to me lately.
+ saturator
waveshapist
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 10:16
Saturator is a killer fx. It has one of the best waveshaping algorithms around. N e ways, operator is cool...
On some other quick thoughts, cause a post can't be edited really, here on IsraTrance after several hours.
I've managed to finish off some tweaks on my new page, and my website in general. My tutorial page, just might have some things written out more clearly over the next week, but that is about it. I've taken care of an inline mp3 player for that page, and my site. Pictures on the page, do come out in a new window.
I might make a kick drum post for this holiday. If I do, I'll throw a link into, "the mother of all kick drums thread." It wont be a whole page, like the psy trance bass tutorial linked in two posts above this, but I will try and make it worthy of checking out.
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Djones
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Question regarding galloping bassline.
Lately I've been struggling on getting my galloping bassline, 'galloping' really with the kick.
I guess there are some basic 'rules' like which sort of kicks do better with what sort of bassline sound.
I've tried really lots of things like working with different kicks more or less lowend, mixing it up with various basslines, different eq and compression settings but it steel sounds as if the bassline sticks more to the kick than galloping around in between the kicks.
What tips can you give me?
Greententacle
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Posted : Dec 2, 2008 20:10
try to move bass in millisec. steps
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Posted : Dec 2, 2008 20:14
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On 2008-12-02 19:57, Djones wrote:
Question regarding galloping bassline.
Lately I've been struggling on getting my galloping bassline, 'galloping' really with the kick.
I guess there are some basic 'rules' like which sort of kicks do better with what sort of bassline sound.
I've tried really lots of things like working with different kicks more or less lowend, mixing it up with various basslines, different eq and compression settings but it steel sounds as if the bassline sticks more to the kick than galloping around in between the kicks.
Djones
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Posted : Dec 2, 2008 23:40
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On 2008-12-02 20:14, Ascension wrote:
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On 2008-12-02 19:57, Djones wrote:
Question regarding galloping bassline.
Lately I've been struggling on getting my galloping bassline, 'galloping' really with the kick.
I guess there are some basic 'rules' like which sort of kicks do better with what sort of bassline sound.
I've tried really lots of things like working with different kicks more or less lowend, mixing it up with various basslines, different eq and compression settings but it steel sounds as if the bassline sticks more to the kick than galloping around in between the kicks.
What tips can you give me?
Have you tried automating/increasing the velocity?
Well yes, still coudn't get it right.
waveshapist
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 00:33
I can think of four basic things that can prevent bass from sitting. Surely there a like a thousand, but these are big four:
Timing, Amp, Eq, and Velocity.
So, basically two have been mentioned above.
Timing, note length and placement. Velocity, note strength. Eq, you must Eq all bass. Finally, AMP, simple ASDR of the amp, can produce drastic changes in the way your bass sounds and acts.
So, if you have already tried timing and velocity, your next step would be to see if messing about with the amp envelope helps, or maybe you need to make some eq cuts.
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 18:54
sidechain usin ooods technike, u can handle the lower freqencies alot more easier, as your ears are completely overwhemled by lower freqs
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Djones
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I guess there are some basic 'rules' like which sort of kicks do better with what sort of bassline sound.
i think thats what helps more of all, the balance and binding of the frequencies and also helps to have "different" sounds to distinguish between each other, not the same frequency spectrum on the kick & the bass
maybe try writing the hole track, make a great bassline and try at the end different kicks on it to see what fits best for the groove of the track and the great bassline you wrote,, i did that recently on a track im working and understood it well since i was amazed to how much the vibe of the track changed and the kick found its write place
AND the mix breathed more than the previous kick i had on, which was making it more muddy
also try to understand what timbre and ADSR you need for a kick to fit, i understood the kicks with some attack and not the classical sine wave with instant attack, give much more groove for the galloping effect you are after, cause the few milliseconds "delay" give more pumping and leave room for the last bass note, theres more room in comparison to the instant attack of other kicks (its exactly what happened to me).. hope it helps mate i personally gave up sidechaining, dont know if i will use this method in the future, but theres no use of it at all if sounds are well crafted from the start
Elad
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 05:02
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On 2008-12-02 19:57, Djones wrote:
Question regarding galloping bassline.
Lately I've been struggling on getting my galloping bassline, 'galloping' really with the kick.
I guess there are some basic 'rules' like which sort of kicks do better with what sort of bassline sound.
I've tried really lots of things like working with different kicks more or less lowend, mixing it up with various basslines, different eq and compression settings but it steel sounds as if the bassline sticks more to the kick than galloping around in between the kicks.
What tips can you give me?
make the bass on the kick notes as well
and make sure the kick has no sub =)
gutter
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make the bass on the kick notes as well and make sure the kick has no sub =)
thats a really nice one Elad havent tried it but i assume this way youll have always the same frequencies sub region and tonality quite interesting, gonna give a try 4 sure,thanks
i upload an example of the track im working to justify my post above
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Posted : Dec 6, 2008 16:20
Hi all,
I have spend hundreds of hours trying to make a nice bassline... i think that regarding the sound of it what i have made so far it is fairly ok but the problem i am always running to is the groove of the bassline... it seems that i cant get it to groove correctly from the synth in the first place...
I would not like to resort to sampling and yet because i think that there must be a way making it through logic and the synth..also dont want to use sidechaining until i get a proper groove.
Please have a listen to the sample i have made... put it to loop because it is really small.. and any comments or advice on how to make it groove and "cruise normaly" would be really appreciated.
A work in progress. Pictures don't open in new window yet. Needs an inline mp3 player.
Explanations and writing, may or may not be complete. I might change some wording, or some style.
All feedback welcome...
cheers
Thank you for showing me how to make four bars of silence at 140 bpm, and even posting a mp3 of silence! lol. Nice tutorial btw.
0hz
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Posted : Dec 7, 2008 13:06
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On 2008-12-06 16:20, pleiadian wrote:
Hi all,
I have spend hundreds of hours trying to make a nice bassline... i think that regarding the sound of it what i have made so far it is fairly ok but the problem i am always running to is the groove of the bassline... it seems that i cant get it to groove correctly from the synth in the first place...
I would not like to resort to sampling and yet because i think that there must be a way making it through logic and the synth..also dont want to use sidechaining until i get a proper groove.
Please have a listen to the sample i have made... put it to loop because it is really small.. and any comments or advice on how to make it groove and "cruise normaly" would be really appreciated.
first bring the bassline one octave down, its to high.
second the eq it wrong, it sounds nasal, try to lower 3db at 1-1.5 khz, add 2-3 db at 240hz.
third, the kick is to high, and the attack is fucked up, it looks like there is a low frequency interfering with the kicks attack.either this kick was riped from some track or it was processed with something that fucked up the attack, it sounds to dull.
