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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 00:04
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On 2007-11-28 15:51, Work4Acid wrote:
hey Boobytrip thanx for the advice, im going to try that one for sure! but tell me something (or anybody):
Whats the difference between doing that and using an envelope shaper? if im not mistaken,you can make the envelope shaper to be triggered for each note, so luckly if you tweak it enough you can avoid using your bass as an audio file ... i saw this in the Andi Vax video but i couldnt get the Dynamic Envelope Shaper that comes with Cubase 4 (if somebody can pass it on i would be very happy)
Im very interested in this because im finally getting really close to the bass sound i want, i think the envelope shaper will make this adittional improvement.



You could use an envelope shaper and combine it with the method i describe. I agree with Brasirc: for me the fact that i can see what i'm doing is a valuable addition to working by ear, since it is sometimes hard to hear artefacts, especially in the very low end. You could use this method in combination with an envelope shaper, which could give more control over the attack (or transient) phase of the bass-notes, which defines much of how the bass sounds. I have fiddled around with transient shapers only a bit, so i can't really help you with that. But i would concentrate on making a good bass patch in your synth first, because that's where you're most likely to make progress in getting a good bass sound.
Work4Acid


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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 01:41
im trying to make a snappy 1/16th note bass, i havent shape the envelope of each note yet, but something sounds wrong and i dont know exactly what, here you can hear my bass sample and theres a painkiller sample bass too, not that i want to make that bass sound, just to use it as a reference to the snappy-short-note feeling that im looking for

you can hear them online so you dont have to download
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=705344

im trying to make what you said Boobytrip, but some suggestions about my bass would be nice, thanx in advance
Seamoon
Seamoon

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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 13:17
@ booby
why do you make a short break between the kick and the bass instead of making the kick exactly 2/16th long?
Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 14:28
For two reasons, both of which could be different with other kicks/basslines:

1) Most importantly: to my ears it sounded better.
2) I wanted to end the kick-sample on a zero-crossing, and if i had extended it for one more cycle of the wave, it would overlap with the first bass-note. If i had extended it for half a cycle it would have ended where the first bass-note started. However, then the waveform of the kick would go down where the waveform of the bass-note wanted to go up, and the attack-phase of bass-note would be adversly affected, due to cancellation. Of course, speaker-cones need some time to return to zero after excursion, and i think that the delay between the audio-events is shorter than this period, but it sounded good and it sounded better than with another period taken from the kick-waveform so i stuck with it.
sonictransportsystem


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Posted : Dec 2, 2007 14:57
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On 2007-11-20 00:02, Human wrote:
hey williamsk,

i wouldn't use a multiband comp. in the bass at all, personally.. it's much easier to mess a sound up with a multiband comp. than to make it sound better, imo.. i use a normal compressor, if any..

also try varying with the position of eq and compressor. an eq before the compressor will have a different effect than the same eq after the compressor.

if you're working with fullon basslines, try using quadrafuzz, first preset with some slight variations will do i think.. see if you like it, it's a matter of taste

as for the delay; it really depends on your style and what you want to achieve.. i would, however, put the delay and AFTER that a sidechain linked to the kick, so that the delayed part doesn't get in the way with the kick.

good luck,
human







Hi, can you explain to me who you link the bassline with the kick, with sidechain?

Thanks a lot

http://www.myspace.com/sonictransportsystem
Human
Human

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Posted : Dec 2, 2007 23:10
of course i can, sonictransportsystem ;-)


i use following side chainer, because it's freeware and it works well for me (most of the time.. *smile*)

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2054.html
(twisted lemon sidekick)


ok. first open the plugin on your kick-channel. don't do anything, just look to which virtual channel it sends the audio input (if you haven't opened it before in that project, it will be on "alpha").

now do whatever you want with your bass, add the delay and after the delay open another sidekick. here you do the following; put the effect on "ducking", deactivate the "bypass", and activate "alpha" under "use virtual channel" (assuming the plugin on the kick-channel sends to alpha).

now mess with the threshold, release and attack.. i usually set the attack very low for such purposes (though i haven't tried putting a delay on bass lately.. i think i tried that a couple of years ago, but i can't remember)

i hope this explanation is clear, if not you must excuse, i'm in a lot of pain today, feel free to ask again tomorrow.. ¦oP


enjoy!
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Dec 3, 2007 21:34
BassLine !
dagagagagagadaggagagagadagagaga

ha ?

i use more and more albino3 this days for basses , nice touch! less compressors and eq , just slight Lp Filter , sweet sounds

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sonictransportsystem


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Posted : Dec 3, 2007 22:42
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On 2007-12-02 23:10, Human wrote:
of course i can, sonictransportsystem ;-)


i use following side chainer, because it's freeware and it works well for me (most of the time.. *smile*)

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2054.html
(twisted lemon sidekick)


ok. first open the plugin on your kick-channel. don't do anything, just look to which virtual channel it sends the audio input (if you haven't opened it before in that project, it will be on "alpha").

now do whatever you want with your bass, add the delay and after the delay open another sidekick. here you do the following; put the effect on "ducking", deactivate the "bypass", and activate "alpha" under "use virtual channel" (assuming the plugin on the kick-channel sends to alpha).

now mess with the threshold, release and attack.. i usually set the attack very low for such purposes (though i haven't tried putting a delay on bass lately.. i think i tried that a couple of years ago, but i can't remember)

i hope this explanation is clear, if not you must excuse, i'm in a lot of pain today, feel free to ask again tomorrow.. ¦oP


enjoy!
human




Thanks a lot....after i finish the song im doing now im going to try that on my next!

Nomad Moon
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Posted : Dec 6, 2007 12:45
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On 2007-12-03 21:34, Elad wrote:
BassLine !
dagagagagagadaggagagagadagagaga

ha ?

i use more and more albino3 this days for basses , nice touch! less compressors and eq , just slight Lp Filter , sweet sounds





Funny u say that , i was playng around with albino 2 for bass yesterday and still couldn't figure it out , VB-1 is still the one who does it for me cos of the pumping range at 250 ,and i tried lot's of them (tau,trilogy,basstation,vanguard,etc),i think i don't eq them right dunno ,so if u can share some advices as for the use of albino ...
Thanx
Nuno           Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si
sonictransportsystem


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Posted : Dec 6, 2007 18:22
Quote:

On 2007-12-06 12:45, Nomad Moon wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-12-03 21:34, Elad wrote:
BassLine !
dagagagagagadaggagagagadagagaga

ha ?

i use more and more albino3 this days for basses , nice touch! less compressors and eq , just slight Lp Filter , sweet sounds





Funny u say that , i was playng around with albino 2 for bass yesterday and still couldn't figure it out , VB-1 is still the one who does it for me cos of the pumping range at 250 ,and i tried lot's of them (tau,trilogy,basstation,vanguard,etc),i think i don't eq them right dunno ,so if u can share some advices as for the use of albino ...
Thanx
Nuno




Manolaas!! Sempre em busca do bassline perfeito!!

vai dizendo coisas...experimentas-te o Iblit?
pa semana já vou ter o G-Sonic alien 303....acho que é altamente pa basslines!

Fica bem
piXan
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Posted : Dec 8, 2007 08:08
g-sonic alien303 is way better than i expected. with all the psy vsti hype and presets like darkpsy or morning trance and not many controls i thought id be shit really. to me surprise, it is not. i got some seriously pumping shit out of this lil beast and sounds great without any processing, not even Eq!!!
Right now it up on my list of bass weapons above audiorealism, vanguard, albino, tau and of course vb which i really never been fond of, and cant understand the fixation so many psy have with it.
but on top on my bass arsenal is cronox (thanx Enertopia for pointing that out) and trilogy. between these 3 plugs i think i have every range covered as for bass goes in my taste. top 3
1. cronox
2. trilogy
3. alien303           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
Nomad Moon
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Posted : Dec 8, 2007 11:45

Right now it up on my list of bass weapons above audiorealism, vanguard, albino, tau and of course vb which i really never been fond of, and cant understand the fixation so many psy have with it.
but on top on my bass arsenal is cronox (thanx Enertopia for pointing that out) and trilogy.
1. cronox
2. trilogy
3. alien303

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I agree with , i'm not that fond of VB also ,finally got some good bass out of Tau yesterday ,sometimes our mind gets stuck with the ones u use the most ,never tried cronox ,and albino has one ,dunno , an electricity going around that i really don't like.
By the way ,and if i'm not asking too much does anyone have a screenshot of a kinda Talamasquian bassline with all those up and down bassnotes,i dont have a musical formation so things that seem logic kinda pass me by

          Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si
sonictransportsystem


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Posted : Dec 8, 2007 12:41
Quote:

On 2007-12-08 11:45, Nomad Moon wrote:

Right now it up on my list of bass weapons above audiorealism, vanguard, albino, tau and of course vb which i really never been fond of, and cant understand the fixation so many psy have with it.
but on top on my bass arsenal is cronox (thanx Enertopia for pointing that out) and trilogy.
1. cronox
2. trilogy
3. alien303




I agree with , i'm not that fond of VB also ,finally got some good bass out of Tau yesterday ,sometimes our mind gets stuck with the ones u use the most ,never tried cronox ,and albino has one ,dunno , an electricity going around that i really don't like.
By the way ,and if i'm not asking too much does anyone have a screenshot of a kinda Talamasquian bassline with all those up and down bassnotes,i dont have a musical formation so things that seem logic kinda pass me by



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"an electricity going around that i really don't like." Maybe its a demo and thats why sometimes make that electrical noise...


Zoopy
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Posted : Dec 8, 2007 22:56
Alien303 sounded pretty cool to me but it's definitely not very diverse...also.. you might want to change your demo protection because you can just sample the bassnotes
sonictransportsystem


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Posted : Dec 9, 2007 11:30
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On 2007-12-08 22:56, Zoopy wrote:
Alien303 sounded pretty cool to me but it's definitely not very diverse...also.. you might want to change your demo protection because you can just sample the bassnotes




Who i change the demo protection, sampling the Alien 303´s notes? I think that you not gonna change nothing, cause the demo still there you just gonna record the notes in a audio file and then use them in a sampler...and get quick recording those notes cause the noise can appear!:)
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