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The Mother of all BASSLINES thread
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jul 2, 2011 12:23
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On 2011-06-30 17:29, DJ Mischkonsum wrote:
* and don't play at kick and bass at the same time except your using sidechaining of course
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In my experience if your kick and bass are different enough tonally, its not really all that necessary to sidechain or not have the 2 hitting tat the same time, for example Extrawelt type minimaly stuff, or dnb stuff, or dub, etc.
For average dancefloor psytrance with 8th or 16th bassline, yeah its good to prevent masking.
Masking, fyi, is the thing that one uses sidechaining and/or non-simultaneous playing to avoid.
Alternates to sidechaining would be cutting the volume of the bass (aka ducking) during the kick a la Tom Cosm's tuturial, or lowering either the gain or velocity of teh simultaneous bass note.
I personally never use sidechaining, what I do instead is make sure teh kick hit is ending before the bass hit begins, either altering the sample directly orputting a pitch envelope on it, or altering the ADSR depending on what DAW/instrument.
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DJ Mischkonsum
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Posted : Jul 6, 2011 23:27
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On 2011-07-02 02:26, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
Do you mean: process them individualy?
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I don't really know what you mean?
I've just summed up the things I heard in this thread, I'm just beginning to understand most of the production stuff, so it's not really "my opinion", if you know what I mean 
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On 2011-07-02 12:23, mudpeople wrote:
In my experience if your kick and bass are different enough tonally, its not really all that necessary to sidechain or not have the 2 hitting tat the same time, for example Extrawelt type minimaly stuff, or dnb stuff, or dub, etc.
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If D'n'B producers don't use sidechaining, how is it possible that I can hear the kicks clearly? Is there some other method? |
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Jul 6, 2011 23:33
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jul 7, 2011 16:53
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DJ Mischkonsum
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Posted : Jul 8, 2011 21:36
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On 2011-07-07 16:53, Alien Bug wrote:
yea, and in DnB kick is hipassed at around 80-100Hz, and there is bass mixed with subbass (50Hz and lower)
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Definately wouldn't mix bass & subbass (in DnB), all the distortion/phaser/whatever makes the subbass sound shitty and muddies up the sound |
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sento
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Posted : Jul 24, 2011 23:54
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How good is the Nord Lead for bass?
I mean is worth the money or I can just do great with a Tetra or other Vsts? |
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 00:19
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On 2011-07-24 23:54, sento wrote:
How good is the Nord Lead for bass?
I mean is worth the money or I can just do great with a Tetra or other Vsts?
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Its complicated to do a nice bass with just tetr4 but if you post-process it it will sound very nice. I have it and use it for everything except bass but thats me. I prefer cronox2 or ACE for bass
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 00:42
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On 2011-06-22 00:34, Upavas wrote:
I would never put a limiter on a bass or kick , compression yes , limiting , never never never ...
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On 2011-06-22 01:05, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
You do know the difference
between them don't you ?
A limiter is a compressor with very high ratio .
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Belive us we know what is a limiter and what is compressor , When we say 'Compressor' We mean to compressor .
I use compressor on 90 % of my sounds thats mean compressor on 170 - 190 channels - Per track (Each one go's
different) So to come and say im limiting my sounds .. Abit strange .
For the bass i like using alien 303 with alot of X Bass 4000 , Right eq (Important !) , Compressor on the kik ,
And i think you will get an good results .
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 11:59
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On 2011-07-07 16:53, Alien Bug wrote:
yea, and in DnB kick is hipassed at around 80-100Hz, and there is bass mixed with subbass (50Hz and lower)
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could you pls educate me a bit more on this... would be thankful if u could upload a tutorial on this pls  |
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 13:14
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 16:41
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On 2011-07-25 11:59, elastic_plastic wrote:
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On 2011-07-07 16:53, Alien Bug wrote:
yea, and in DnB kick is hipassed at around 80-100Hz, and there is bass mixed with subbass (50Hz and lower)
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could you pls educate me a bit more on this... would be thankful if u could upload a tutorial on this pls
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just listen a dnb tune dude ,in many cases the bass have subs and the kick don t so they don t fight each other when played toghther but it s more than that, the kick is their to bring some punch,i like them tight so the bass appear really phat in contrast, all this contribute to get the drive in the beat |
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sento
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 17:59
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On 2011-07-25 00:19, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
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On 2011-07-24 23:54, sento wrote:
How good is the Nord Lead for bass?
I mean is worth the money or I can just do great with a Tetra or other Vsts?
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Its complicated to do a nice bass with just tetr4 but if you post-process it it will sound very nice. I have it and use it for everything except bass but thats me. I prefer cronox2 or ACE for bass
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What do u mean post process and why u need that on Tetra synth?
Anyway I will rewrite my question:
I got a Virus TI, so because is so expensive and complex like, I said to myself I'll do all sounds with it.
The thing is that for bass is pretty weak, maybe because of the oscilators..
Now: I was thinking to buy a Nord Lead probably NL 3 for bass and not only, but I don't think is gonna be better than my Tetra, Virus TI or even some VSTs la Ace for bass creation.
So, what's ur oppinions guys on Virus TI, Nord Lead(3) and DSI Tetra for great psy bass compared even with some vsts.
Thanks a lot and sorry for the long post! |
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supergroover
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 18:58
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the virus can be great for basses imho. You just need to tweak it well. I got some great basses out of it, better than most software that I have tried. There just arent any great presets for bass in the TI.
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 19:04
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dunno about the nord 3 but the nord 2 is not bad for bass, it can really cut and sit well, very punchy tight bassline but not very phat , it s similar to es1 except it dont clip , it s cleaner but a bit less phat .i used the saw wav record with a di then in a sampler. the low end is very tight and clean and cut really well on pa speakers but was years ago , dunno if i would still find it good.
but buying a nord for bass you may be disapointed,even if it s great some plugins with some processing can sound just as good |
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sento
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 19:15
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On 2011-07-25 18:58, supergroover wrote:
the virus can be great for basses imho. You just need to tweak it well. I got some great basses out of it, better than most software that I have tried. There just arent any great presets for bass in the TI.
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Don't worry I tweaked it a lot.. It gets some bass but far from great... I mean even though I don't like Zebra or Sylenth that much...as it took me to make kind og fat like bass on Virus made 4 on each of these VSTs and they sound better and without to much processing... I want to luv the Virus for bass...just doesn't seem to work... I'm asking myself why...it's the oscilators that r weak? I mean without its EQ, Analog Knob and other effects sounds like crap for bass... Please enlighten me guys |
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