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low orbit
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low orbit
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PsyGalaXy
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Nectarios
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untilthereislight
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Posted : Jun 13, 2011 12:03
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LuSiD
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 02:49
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Hello, I am the Brian that wrote that paper which was posted earlier in this thread. I wrote it many years ago for a master's program in consciousness studies.
Anyway, may I suggest some of my psychedelic music all slower bpm (90-105) under the name "Circus of Mind". You can find tracks for sale at itunes, amazon, addictech, etc. There are also some free downloads on both my website and soundcloud page.
www.circusofmind.com
www.soundcloud.com/circusofmind
www.facebook.com/circusofmind
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 04:54
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On 2011-06-10 22:54, DETOX wrote:
My statement derives from long conversations i had with the major producers of this scene during the last decade.
You can also spend some time and read this nice essay.
http://www.circusofmind.com/words/BrianKelch8.pdf
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Hey that's a really cool essay, thanks so much for posting that! I've been on the lookout for stuff written in non-hippy format that discusses the math behind trance states and what musical methods are optimum for inducing them.
If you have any more links in that vein I would love to check them out..or some more "serious music"
There is a startling lack of discussion on this topic among producers that I've encountered...it's almost always technically based, like how to make this sound, or bits about music theory...
I suspect that part of the reason for that is that talking about a patch is fairly straight forward while a discussion on how to intentionally build music to alter someone's consciousness is much more often a highly subjective and philosophical subject.
Before I started producing 2 years ago I had a much more incomplete and awestruck understanding of psytrance music and how it was made, and it was easy for me to assume intention on the part of the artists...you know, that they're all techno wizard shaman who are manipulating my brain waves with all their crazy shit.
That may be a bit much, but anyway, now that I know how the music is constructed and more significantly how it feels to construct it...my views on it have become less inclined to the supernatural.
But at the end of the day, a trance state is a supernatural state and everyone who has experienced it can't deny that it's more than being high and listening to music you really enjoy.
How *do* you intentionally design music to trance people out like that? I would like to know, or at least to see more discussion on the topic.
I've brought it up before and a lot of people have equated it with musical taste, as in your taste in music significantly affects the ability of the music to entrain you. I think that is definitely a factor...if I can't stand the music enough to dance to it for more than 5 minutes I am not going to trance out. I still think though that there are some underlying principles that will raise the potential of entraining someone and allowing them to do the work necessary to allow themselves access to an ecstatic state. A classic example would be the 4/4 kick drum for long periods of time.
For me when I'm making music I just experiment and go with what sounds good to me...I never have more than a very, very vague picture in my head of what is going to happen...like oh im going to make a dancey trance track, or a chilled out atmospheric track, or a dubby slow-but-bassy track. One of my tracks is intended to be structured around a DMT experience but I honestly cant remember which one it is or even what I did to mirror that experience beyond "ok...atmospheric intro....then blastoff!" and having the thought that it would be cool to make a track around that concept.
Ive heard that different producers (like posford) will imagine a visual story for their track beforehand and try to craft the sonic accompaniment to that journey...or that the first phrase in the track is equivalent to the first chapter in a story and so on.
I'd be very interested to hear if any of the major producers described any other methods to you over the years, or what methods other producers use to craft a journey that's more than sick beats and bleeps
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 04:56
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On 2011-08-21 02:49, LuSiD wrote:
Hello, I am the Brian that wrote that paper which was posted earlier in this thread. I wrote it many years ago for a master's program in consciousness studies.
Anyway, may I suggest some of my psychedelic music all slower bpm (90-105) under the name "Circus of Mind". You can find tracks for sale at itunes, amazon, addictech, etc. There are also some free downloads on both my website and soundcloud page.
http://www.circusofmind.com
http://www.soundcloud.com/circusofmind
http://www.facebook.com/circusofmind
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Cool! Great article, will check your music out when I get to a computer with speakers. Would love to hear any further thoughts you have on intentionally psychedelic music and the math of trance states 
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kylistar
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 14:57
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PsyGalaXy
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TAS
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Posted : Aug 25, 2011 22:39
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Elad
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 23:31
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I wouldnt confuse bpm with actual pulse.
you can have 240bpm sounding like 120, instead of beats on 1 5 9 13 have them only on 1 and 9 
half tempo
Also you can have a fast beat and a slow pulse melody ontop, long pads and melody which will make your body move fast to the rhythm but your mind will move slow to the sounds/music
Also Stress can be very positive and we dont actually call stress positive so its a bad word, but fast music with euphoric sounds will of course give you energy and a feeling of well being, Euphoria
Slow trance is more relaxing and introvert, more for mind trips than party feeling. Of course the same is the case here, you can have slow beats and euphoric sounds, which will make it not so introvert. Nothing is a rule
For a long hour dj its perfect to go slow and introvert people and make them face their inner, than take them outward again, than back again inside, It can be very healing. The part where the euphoric state gives everybody a sense of wellbeing resulting in collective positivity, then afterwards bringing it backinside, introverting this, and it fills your core with positivity.
Music is the best tool for happiness and wellbeing and also for a state of non-being, which is a superior state sometimes. But its a short one and also should be 
hehe couldnt help my self to talk some shit
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