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Frito
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 01:13
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and yes for sure his quality label suffer of all those crappy label ... |
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gaspard
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 01:25
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On 2006-10-26 01:13, Frito wrote:
and yes for sure his quality label suffer of all those crappy label ...
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oh right! excellent and most convincing point you just made! i do apologise for having thought otherwise!
 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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volvox box 2
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 01:33
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well thats a paradox or its the people that are stupid enouph to buy crappy music. |
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Frito
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 01:38
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On 2006-10-26 01:13, Frito wrote:
and yes for sure his quality label suffer of all those crappy label ...
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oh right! excellent and most convincing point you just made! i do apologise for having thought otherwise!
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well u dont need to apologize... it is just my point of view.
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gaspard
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 01:59
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On 2006-10-26 01:13, Frito wrote:
and yes for sure his quality label suffer of all those crappy label ...
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oh right! excellent and most convincing point you just made! i do apologise for having thought otherwise!
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well u dont need to apologize... it is just my point of view.
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a point of view which is backed up by.....
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 02:16
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gaspard
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 09:32
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this i get. but i think you cannot leave genre out of the equation. people who are into one genre are not that likely to buy from other genres. thats why i dont get detox s argument. he s saying that there is a massive number of new dark labels and that as a direct result general sales are dropping. i m just saying that i dont think that its that simple. general sales are dropping but i think there are many factors causing this. the fact that there are many labels is a good thing in my opinion, as it means people have a wide variety to choose from.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 09:50
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On 2006-10-26 00:19, neuromantik wrote:
Once and for all distributions don't force shops to carry anything. Prove me the contrary if you are going to spread disinformation.
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Neuromantik do you think that i just pop up and make stories out of my head?You seem to ignore the fact that i run a label,i work with many distributions around the world,work with all major online stores and i am in contact with many people who are in the market,and i mean people who are really into the market and run some serious business here and not just a small time label that sells 500 copies once a year.I dont want to sound arrogant but i probably know how this market works better than you just like other people who run very big labels know even better than me how the market works.
Distributions force some shops to buy certain ammounts of cds from crappy titles in order to provide them later with big ammounts of the hot ones in the right time just like big shops force distributions to give them the hot titles earlier than to other competitors or even give them the exclusivity on some titles otherwise they threaten not to buy at all.
This is the market structure of the psy trance scene either you like it or not.
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On 2006-10-26 00:54, gaspard wrote:
i really dont understand your fear man... i mean obviously you place yourself and your label in these top 50 (probably top 1-9) good ones and as i understand it most of the "crap" ones are "dark" styled labels so i really dont understand how you think this will effect your sales. the people buying "dark" music would not have bought your releases anyways.
so maybe you should start placing blame somewhere else as to why your sales are dropping.
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I dont personally place my label anywhere,the support of the people who buy my releases and send me a positive feedback places my label somewhere and from the facts and numbers i know it has to be somewhere between the top 50 labels in the market which is not something extravagant if you consider that there are no more than 250 labels involved in our scene.And just to let you know i dont consider my label not even probably in the top 20 of this scene,there are other bigger and better labels who do a better job than me,i consider Exposure as just a good label,nothing more nothing less.
And concerning the crappy labels well for me there are as many bad dark psy labels as many bad full on labels especially the ones with the usual israeli full on sound.Its just the fact that dark psy seems to be a new trend or something and if the market managed to survive a first blow by the full on sound then i doubt it can survive with a second and even third one.Anyway its a big story but i guess you get my point.
As to whom would buy my music well things in our days is not only who is willing to buy but who is able to buy and i am not speaking moneywise,what i am trying to say is that with all these labels popping up every day just like COLIN OOOD said its simple mathematics that individual releases sales will dramatically drop meaning that while i was selling to Japan lets say 10 copies before two years now i am selling 7 not because there are not enough people to buy 10 copies of my releases there but because the shops cannot afford to stock as many cds from my releases as they used to do in the past even if my releases sell there good and fast,so they order 7 cds instead of 10 and when they are sold out in lets say two weeks they decide not to stock up again my release which is not considered as new anymore but to buy the new releases and update their catalog so the people who will go there even if they want to buy my release they will not find it easily so they will probably end up buying something else from another label either good one or bad one.
Oh and since you mentioned variety in your latest post,well variety is one thing and overflooding is another because when there are lets say 50.000 people who buy cds worldwidely and there are 100 labels to satisfy their needs then thats a good percentage of variety but when the number of the people who buy cds decreases day by day and the number of labels increases then you can understand that under the simple laws of demand and supply something is going terribly wrong.
I hope you could understand my point.
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Stregone
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 10:30
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If it is like you say, we are going back to a fully underground system which could be very healthy for our movement that is getting more commercial every day 
Yeah that means that people who work and live by psytrance will not have the possibility to continuing doing that and also that ->probably<- there will be a decraising level of production quality |
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dennis without the label
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 11:14
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i think detox problem is that he is just 1 among 100 now. he wants to be someone and to be noticed in the scene which is harder when there are more actors involved.. So he tries to place himself among the top labels. (there are no top labels)
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 12:37
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I dunno it does seem to make a lot of sense what Detox is saying. Now Im not sure which is more important to me: having a wide selection or being able to get what I want when I want it.
Everyone does differ in their definitions of "good" and "crappy", so having a wide selection allows more people to find things that hit their specific tastes. But then again there is a lot of stuff out there that is pretty generic sounding and most people would agree is forgettable. And BTW Detox some of that forgettable music is progressive too, not just dark and fullon.
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Distributions force some shops to buy certain ammounts of cds from crappy titles in order to provide them later with big ammounts of the hot ones in the right time just like big shops force distributions to give them the hot titles earlier than to other competitors or even give them the exclusivity on some titles otherwise they threaten not to buy at all.
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hearing stuff like this really annoys me because it is basically some businessperson deciding what I should have the option of listening to.
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 21:58
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On 2006-10-26 10:30, Stregone wrote:
If it is like you say, we are going back to a fully underground system which could be very healthy for our movement that is getting more commercial every day.
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Well either we are going to a fully underground system (whatever the word underground means in our days...) or either we are going to a fully crap system where the serious labels will close (like most of them are doing for some time now) and only the really amateur people will remain releasing compilations with theirs and their friends low quality music.
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On 2006-10-26 10:30, Stregone wrote:
Yeah that means that people who work and live by psytrance will not have the possibility to continuing doing that and also that ->probably<- there will be a decraising level of production quality.
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I have asked this before and i will ask the same thing again.What is wrong in working and living by psytrance?I mean is there anyone who can accuse good artists who do what they love to do properly and also make enough money out of it to live a good life?Can we accuse professional label managers for handling their label good and living out of selling cds?I mean i cant see anything wrong about that.
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On 2006-10-26 11:14, dennis without the label wrote:
i think detox problem is that he is just 1 among 100 now. he wants to be someone and to be noticed in the scene which is harder when there are more actors involved.So he tries to place himself among the top labels. (there are no top labels)
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Dennis if i wanted to be noticed then i doubt i would ever spend my time,efforts and money on psychedelic trance,there are other styles of music with much more fame and money not to mention better music.And by the way if i really really wanted to be noticed i would at least have uploaded my website for more than a year now and would be spamming all the forums with promotion of my label and last but not least i would be a dj like 90% of the label managers in our days,and trust me it would be really easy for me to get some bookings unlike some other people
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On 2006-10-26 12:37, Psycosmo wrote:
I dunno it does seem to make a lot of sense what Detox is saying. Now Im not sure which is more important to me: having a wide selection or being able to get what I want when I want it.
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Well dear Psycosmo the desirable situation lies somewhere in the middle of what you said.Having a wide selection is something that everybody likes i guess but also being able to get what you want when you want it is also of the same importance,the bad thing is that while the number of labels and releases increases on a weekly basis but the number of buyers decreases on a daily basis then for sure your selection becomes wider and wider but your ability to purchase you favorite releases after a specific time (one month after the official release date lets say) becomes smaller and smaller not to mention the fact that sales of individual labels get lower all the time and because of that less money and effort is putted into the labels and the releases by the managers therefore your wide selection is useless since you got to choose from 80 cds a month from which 70 of them are average or below average releases.
Oh by the way music in our days is heavinly connected with business so dont get suprised that your music choices dont depend only on you anymore but also on the people who are running this market since these are the ones who more or less decide what cds will get promoted and where they will be available or not.Fucked up situation indeed mate.
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Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 22:27
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On 2006-10-26 21:58, DETOX wrote:
Dennis if i wanted to be noticed then i doubt i would ever spend my time,efforts and money on psychedelic trance,there are other styles of music with much more fame and money not to mention better music.And by the way if i really really wanted to be noticed i would at least have uploaded my website for more than a year now and would be spamming all the forums with promotion of my label and last but not least i would be a dj like 90% of the label managers in our days,and trust me it would be really easy for me to get some bookings unlike some other people
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Yea, well... maybe you suck at webdesign and you cant spinn either. so that may be the answer to 2 of your questions 
And you are spamming the forums, but only with your reversed psychology and whining..
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 23:14
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Well ofcourse i suck at web designing thats why i payed someone who is very good at it to do it for me and i keep delaying him from uploading the website although its ready because i dont send him some final info about some sections.
As about spinning well i never even tried that (unlike 80% of this forum LOL) simply because i am not interested in djing and what it represents or what it brings to a dj including fame for which you accused me
Hope these answers cover you
Oh by the way,"spamming" the forum with my reversed psychology and whining as you call it i doubt that brings me any positive notice or fame rather the opposite i would say,but again you can now come up and accuse me of trying to attract negative notice on me because i am a pervert LOL
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duodenumz
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 23:15
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re: digital downloads
I'm finding that shop prices for MP3 versions of albums are way too high. I think $10 is about as high as they should go for 320 rate MP3, *unless* they start including hi-res package art with the music. Some shops are selling MP3 albums at nearly the same prices as full-quality CD releases, yet they include no artwork.
This has been happening over and over to me at Beatport, Iboga, etc.. Yes, MP3s are a good way to distribute albums, but gouging the consumer is not cool. |
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