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The end of an era
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Hg
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Posted : Jun 24, 2003 23:42
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On 2003-06-24 21:15, kaz wrote:
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I would like to know if, for instance you are at Samothraki, then *GMS* starts playing (and, of course, you hate GMS), who would not dance??? Who would not enjoy that moment?
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When GMS were playing at samothraki, I went to the progressive stage for Tsuyoshi's DJ set. A friend of mine which quite a full-on freak actually left the GMS live act in the middle because compared to the other acts at Samothraki, they were just not special.
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This was indeed a poor example because of the alternative stage... I touched this point because I was amazed, here in Brazil on Celebra Festival (etnicanet), where most of the public were foreign backpackers, goa freaks -- old school people -- and when GMS played I was expecting some animosity from those people; however, it was definately the warmest time in the party. I remember seeing those freaks dancing like crazy (including me) and I said to myself "Iesus, the rabbit hole is deeper..." It was quality sound...
An analogy can be traced between Brazil and Europe. Europe is fed up with fullon, Brazil is not. Europe knows trance for a long time, Brazil doesnt. With time, Europe was dominated by progressive roots, Brazil is on the way... Still, fullon is played in Europe and people enjoy, Brazil will never "leave" the power of fullon.... What I dont get is the israfreaks that (majority) dont open boundaries...
You know what??? Everything is perfect! The way it has to be and I loveeee'it.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 25, 2003 00:17
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what israfreaks are you talking about
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Hg
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Posted : Jun 25, 2003 01:00
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It seems like Israel(ians) will keep fullon alive forever!!! 
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Posted : Jun 25, 2003 02:08
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i like the history part in your short essay kaz.
But i TOTALLY DISAGREE HERE :
"At the moment, only one major label continues releasing the 'pure' forms of psytrance, and that's Twisted Records"
and here are ten good reasons :
1) Bigwigs -Fraktalik Fraterniti (Digital Structures)
2)Bonky - Bonky 2 (Doof)
3) Flying Scorpions - Lipoptena Cervi (6Dimension Sound)
4) Igneous Sauria - Encephalophagus (Creamcrop)
5) Parasence - Avangaro (Acidance)
6) Prabhamandala - Terra Incognita (Saikosound)
7) Wizzy Noise - Elecktro Theater (Candyflip)
8) Avalanche Of Sound 1 (Avalanche)
9) Radical Simplicity (Ketuh)
10) Cipher (Timecode)
This examples released in the first 6 months of 2003, there are plenty more in 2002-2001 and more to come in the future..i cant see twisted rec. connected here with these releases..
Everything is about taste kaz, personaly i am tired with this twisted-shpongle-s.p. "promotion"
+ gms rocked the place in SDF 2002 people got mad and dance , and that what counts in the end of the day .
PARTY&DANCE and "FLY" !
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 25, 2003 13:07
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On 2003-06-24 21:40, Dovla wrote:
you obviously haven't heard acidance records material...it doesn't get any more psychedelic than that...and they are not the only ones that are still releasing this kind of music
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I said most, not all.
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An analogy can be traced between Brazil and Europe. Europe is fed up with fullon, Brazil is not. Europe knows trance for a long time, Brazil doesnt. With time, Europe was dominated by progressive roots, Brazil is on the way... Still, fullon is played in Europe and people enjoy, Brazil will never "leave" the power of fullon.... What I dont get is the israfreaks that (majority) dont open boundaries...
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As I wrote earlier, I agree with you on the point that Brazil is a fresh scene, and that things are totally different in that case. And I 'hate' GMS just as much as I 'hate' a lot of other acts, I just like giving them as an example of what I don't like since everyone knows them and a lot of people love them (hey, it's fun to piss people off from time to time... That's how Howard Stern got to where he is today!).
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and here are ten good reasons :
1) Bigwigs -Fraktalik Fraterniti (Digital Structures)
2)Bonky - Bonky 2 (Doof)
3) Flying Scorpions - Lipoptena Cervi (6Dimension Sound)
4) Igneous Sauria - Encephalophagus (Creamcrop)
5) Parasence - Avangaro (Acidance)
6) Prabhamandala - Terra Incognita (Saikosound)
7) Wizzy Noise - Elecktro Theater (Candyflip)
8) Avalanche Of Sound 1 (Avalanche)
9) Radical Simplicity (Ketuh)
10) Cipher (Timecode)
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Everything is about taste kaz, personaly i am tired with this twisted-shpongle-s.p. "promotion"
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As for the 10 albums given here, Bigwigs has yet to be released, Doof Records are not a major label on the worldwide trance scale (not like TIP World, Spirit Zone and the such), Flying Scorpions are a part of the sound from Finland and I didn't include them in this discussion as this style is very underground when compared to the rest of the scene (and again, 6D Sound are NOT a major label). Parasense isn't very psychedelic, sorry. Wizzy Noise isn't all that psychedelic either. As for the rest, I haven't heard them at all... and again, none of them are released by one of the 10 biggest labels in psytrance.
I did NOT promote Twisted Records here at all, I did NOT promote Hallucinogen or Shpongle here (and as of late, I'm also starting to be annoyed with the Twisted Records mafia for releasing less and less innovative psytrance with time, not talking about the ambient though). I simply gave my view of this. And according to what I heard in SDF 2002, Bigwigs and Tromesa make true psychedelic music.
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Anyways, the situation today in the psytrance scene is this - just like the techno scene, if you filter off the 90% of the music you don't like, the 10% you have left is good. Unfortunately, I don't want the psy scene to look like the techno scene. I think it CAN and SHOULD be better.
BTW: When in the main stage of samothraki, a 3 year old with a toy drum could get everyone to dance with the vibe that went on there  ... Seriously, if anyone over there could NOT dance to the music playing at the main stage, something is wrong.
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Rabbitalien
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Posted : Jun 25, 2003 15:17
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I respect your thoughts Kaz.
The list i gave its just an example and there are a lot more releases in the last 2 years .I want to make clear that there is still innovation, variation and "pure" psychedelia in the scene. Maybe the big labels you mention dont release much "pure" psychedelia but still there are quite few smaller&independent labels that release great music for all kinds of taste.
As for samothraki again , i remember certain live acts in the main stage that didnt made people move much, this includes "Lord" S.P. Hallucinogen , i respect and like his ideas and music but personaly he cant move me much anymore.I say its time for him to release something new for the dancefloor or retire to the chill out stage..
Respect to the groups that make people happy and dance ! 
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Zombi
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Posted : Jun 25, 2003 15:34
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On 2003-06-25 13:07, kaz wrote:
I think it CAN and SHOULD be better.
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why ?? becoze u love it more ?? its all human creations, all humans truly one !!
and i think realy that techno scene of todays more variety and full of changes and refreshing than trance scene. since there is so more sub styles and genres in techno. techno ppl dont border themself in 5 bpm range and same sounds all the way, realy. techno going from 118 bpm glitchs to 150 bpm hardcore and all prety good mixed. Believe your soul ! |
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 26, 2003 11:32
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At last we agree Zombi - the techno scene has more subgenres and people border themselves a lot less. In psytrance - a musical form that was founded on having few limits when compared to other forms of electronic music, there SHOULD be even less. Don't you agree on that?
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Zombi
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Posted : Jun 26, 2003 17:08
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i dont know what should be, i know what is. the idea of you sounds right i have admit, but its normal than idea and creation stand in 10 miles points one from another
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DJ Pelon(Inpsyde Media)
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Posted : Jun 26, 2003 17:10
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"Parasense isn't very psychedelic, sorry."
are u sure about it Kaz? cause last time I heard them they sounded very psychedelic to me...
how can you say that trax like Parasense - Ritual of drugs are not psychedelic ??
strange...but what do I know 
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Zombi
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Posted : Jun 26, 2003 17:23
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btw kaz - where from u take a basic for this theory ?? why do u think psytrance was founded to have less limits ??
psytrance cant be so variety as techno only from this reason its have to be psytrance, techno can be everything that have 4/4, in fact whole dance music that is not pop ppl call techno.
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Goblim
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Posted : Jun 26, 2003 17:28
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Well, what's psychedelic can be different from person to person, but i think kaz meant psychedelic like a style. Btw. kaz, can you please list the 10 biggest labels, it would be interesting to see.
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Posted : Jun 27, 2003 05:35
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"Ritual of Drugs" haha..
I believe it was the original Goa style that had 'no rules' (more accurately - not as many rules). Just check some old compilations to see the range from artists like LSG to Speedy J to Hallucinogen and all in between. Anyhow a good navigator crosses boundaries regardless of what the pigeon says.
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Posted : Jun 28, 2003 12:36
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it's more about dynamics rather that styles fading or disappearing. as ppl said, some styles are "coming back", and i personally does'nt think that any style died during these years but was more/less common - as many said, trance is "pulling" twards other directions.
The "No-rules" term is quite funny, because every style of music tends to break the current rules, and creats something new, with different rules - some of these "rules" are more faint (like in the norwigian scene )- that's was psy is all about.
BTW- Kaz- a very nice history lesson. i liked it.
Good Vibes indeed
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Posted : Jun 29, 2003 02:41
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Finally, a worthy disscussion here, it's about time.
I think it's true, psytrance is much less PSY today, not diverse and uninteresting (again, I'm generalizing).
That is, of course, if you consider acts like *** (guess...) and all its clones as psytrance, I don't.
PSYtrance, on the other hand is alive and kicking, not very popular though (and that's how it should be).
Back in the old days, there were fewer labels,fewer artists and, fewer listeners.
With the trance scene growing massivly (especially in Israel) it naturally became less psychedelic, but the real psychedelic trance artists are still out there, somewhere, making music, playing in parties (mostly underground).
So, my vision for the future is: all the club-full-on genere (you probably know what I'm talking about...) will become bigger and bigger, leaving us (the true psytrance fans ) alone.
It's only natural that the "ligher" stuff will gain more popularity (and it already happens, BTW).
That way, psytrance will eventually become psychedelic again
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