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Techtrance - is it really trance?
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jun 12, 2002 14:16
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DONT EVEN THINK OF IT PEOPLE....
minimal = bad
psycho = good
hahaha i can see cannibals face right now 
hehe well actually i think the "war" whihc is going on in veery little thread about style etc etc sux...
lets all be happy and listen to whats GOOD or bad...
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Goblim
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Posted : Jun 12, 2002 14:25
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Actually both genres and subgenres are good, especially because the main genres are often used wrong. Someone who doesn't know electronic music often call everything techno. Someone may claim they listen to trance, and I think, when I listen to psytrance and he could be listening to tiesto or antiloop (I dont call them trance, but many others do).
The problem is, music (especially electronic) is in a heavy evolving state, people divide, combine or kill former genres... so new genres are born all the time. Its like a tree, braches grow out, some fall off and so on.
Of course you can say trance is everything that takes you away n stuff... but then its not a music genre.
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jun 12, 2002 14:42
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this is an interesting question, now i've thought about it longer.
it seems to me though, that we do not have an absolute definition of what constitutes 'trance', though i guess we all reckon we know it when we hear it... its like the philosophical problem "whats an elephant?" well i can't really tell you precisely, though sure i can 'describe' an elephant, but if you showed me something and said "is this an elephant" i'd be pretty damn sure whether it was or not 
so maybe the point is tech-trance no longer sounds like trance did to begin with, but seeing as it clearly evolved (at least partly) out of trance style, it has right to be refered to as trance.
on the other hand i think anders point that this is just semantics and maybe a little pointless is also valid...
aah, i dunno..
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Rabbitalien
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Posted : Jun 12, 2002 14:52
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I agree with Goblim. Techno/Trance is so wide area , so many different rhythms , characteristics , techniques i cant just put everything under a techno or trance label. Electronic music is developing ,evolving every year , new styles are being born and other die .Other mixed together and other become simplier , that is evolution and is GOOD !
Categorization needed in order to discuss and analyze a track made by someone...
Buut categorization is not needed in order to like a track or dance or chill out or generally to have fun with music...
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FreeMan
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Posted : Jun 12, 2002 18:31
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ppl like changes which is not only to listen to trance nor combine some new sounds into trance for ex:
club-trance
tec-trance
progessive-trance
and so on they all combination of trance but mixed with other sounds
artist that play tec trance for ex:
midi miliz ,hugaboy ,wizzy noize, lish
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Borris
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Posted : Jun 12, 2002 21:20
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About names. As I see it the main Protagonist of naming music with names is the music press. they need names to describe music since they can't play it to people, only write about it. (and yes our beloved forum is a type of music press). in our wide Janre (EDM - Electronic Dance Music) the Biggest and strongest - And therefore trendseting, and Namemaking - Industry is the british one. therefore I try and call the janeres the same way MixMag or DJmag or Muzik do.
BUT to those magazines our style is just a small and not really important (too small industry, money and power wise) so they don't diferentiate between Huja or GMS or Gus Till it's all plain Goa or Psy to them.
the rest has many names and subnames, Trance to them Between Tiesto ATB and Antiloop on one side and Sasha, Digweed and Cass on the other. Techno is between the german hardcore stuff (Tresor, DHR) , the british acid (Liberators) the US clasicists (Atkins-May-Saunderson) and the minimalists and superminimalists (Steve bug, Mills, Dave Clarck)
In our Janre, indeed MidiMiliz and The Delta (And some others) have been moving soundwise towards techno, but their track structuire is still strictly Psy-Trance. so I'm sorry it's very hard for me to call it all Techno. if someone asks me what I play, and I say Techno, I don't mean that I play Trance. I play Jeff Mills and stuff like that.
Just my 10 cents with no point whatsoever.
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KosMos
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 01:46
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from your 10 cents, mr. borris, i am thinking that maybe the problem - or should i say the root of the problem - is that, not everybody listens, or at least has basic knowledge, of many genres and styles in electronic music... maybe because only few people know the difference between the delta and sasha, we try to "slice" our genre in little pieces... if we knew how different techno is from trance, or any other comparison, we wouldn't make up all these names...
or maybe not..
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clox
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 07:36
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trance is a usic with a development ... well if i compare two tracks - a tekno one , and a trance one ... i find for sure more easy finded development of the track in the trance one ...
thats the point for me .... in the techno music , it is almost all based on samples and it looks like some kind of pyramid with samples , graded one by one , but with a small development ....
and something that makes me lough for finishing my words : the Antiloop called band , so i cannot find anything else but loops out there in their tracks ...  |
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 10:23
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Clox: What you described as development in techno is what progressive trance is moving towards. Hear Shiva Chandra, and tell me that there's that big a difference in development. I think it's the idea that's different - the execution is pretty much the same.
Dr. Borris: Well, you answered everything, but the million dollar question is "is techtrance really psytrance" - not "is techtrance not techno".
I guess techtrance is kind of a problem child of trance and techno - it's somewhere in between them, and a lot of fans from each genre find it hard to swallow. IMO, if you hear techtrance, you might as well go for the real thing and hear some techno - those guys are proffesionals on a level that most people in the trance world don't even start to get close to.
But then again, there are people who hear the style and say "this is RIGHT". I can't argue with tastes, can I?
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Zombi
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 12:07
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i dont know.. in german everything that not hot house or goa trance is tekno. and they are such a made fashion in dance party music ppl.
here in israel the differents mainly becoze of kind of partying. tech-trance playin in open airs ith alot ppl and till late hours partys. tekno at small clubs that end at 5.00.
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 14:23
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KosMos, i think your point about chopping the scene up into 1000's of different gernres is an interesting one, i mean, your right, all these terms are totally inpenetrable to 'outsiders'. still, i don't think that makes it an incorrect thing to do, we are entitled to really like one 'style' over another and want to discuss it : hence labels...
viz the original tech-trance is it really trance debate,
there are only two ways to resolve it, either someone needs to exhibit a good reason why it is not trance (i duuno what though, maybe drum programming or something). or we just have to say it is trance, because it is clearly part of the trance scene... but as i said earlier, since we have no objective definition of what trance actually 'is' its a bit hard to decide whether something does or does not fall into a particular category.
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shahar
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 16:17
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Trance- music that puts you into a state of trance.
According to that definition, which I think can't be denied, a lot of techno is much more trancey- the more the music is repetitive snd simple, the more it puts you into trance when you dance to it.
However there's also the mind factor, and here a lot of time technoish stuff does much less to me.
There's also the psychedelic factor- for me that's the ability of the music to take me somewhere else- here I usually prefer psytrance. But there are quite a few exceptions, to name a few- The Delta (listen again ppl), Hujaboy, Triac and more.
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 16:21
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yes shahar you are correct.
few tech trance artists make the music more psy...
its psy tech or something...
or like i call it: powerFULL tech trance.
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Borris
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 16:28
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Shahar, by your defenition All the Stuff I play is trance, but you wouldn't call it like this.
Trance, and especialy psychedelia is a very personal - subjective term.
So I'd keep it on a personal level, IE. not is tech-trance trance, but Do I consider Techtrance as trance and if not/yes then why.
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shahar
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 16:38
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Everything I write Borris is on my personal level- I don't think or feel or talk for others.
And I definitely think you play trance.
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