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Posted : Jan 16, 2008 19:14
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Nurbs
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Posted : Jan 25, 2008 19:32
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Artist like Haltya, Kiwa, Texas Faggott, Troll Scientists and other probably asking half of the price than other ''super artists'', that will see 3-4 times per year.
Party organizers, since its kinda of difficult for me to understand can you please enlighten me ??! |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 25, 2008 21:44
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Well there is no crowd for this kind of music in Athens and thats why noone books this kind of artists.
I once booked for an ARK NR6 outdoor event Penti Slayer from Texas Faggott (along with Koxbox and Total Eclipse) and although the party was full till the morning hours when Penti got on decks very few people stayed to listen to him and although i thought that he would play really strange music and thats why the people wouldnt stay to listen to him i got to admit that he played really really good and innovative music that i very much enjoyed,also i got to add that he is a very nice person too.
In any case though there is no crowd for this kind of music in Athens and i really doubt there is a big crowd for this kind of music anywhere in this world because Suomi music was famous for a short time in the psy trance scene and didnt stay much in the spotlight.
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Nurbs
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 13:14
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Ok, i can accept that there no crowd for suomi saundi in athens but whos fault is that??!
Party organizers are holding in their hands a form of manipulation, as Social influence,
which they use in the wrong way.
Many years now min 70% of the guest artists style is full on. Its logical for a music scene
to get use to it. You guys leave no space for other styles and you keep doing it.
Dont want to sound elitist but the biggest % of the people that are into psytrance in
greece have zero music knowledges and they think that full on is the only music style around.
The above mentioned just to saw how easy is to manipulate.
You, as party organizers have responsibility against music industry, since all this affects music production. That means that sometimes you must take risks for the good of the scene.
Introduce new artists, new styles and give time (i know that money are involved and i am
talking from the outside but still).
Just 1 or 2 parties per year to satisfied this ''small'' % in the greek scene that they
into other styles, like suomi and old school goa trance . Will not harm but
on the other hand it will do good and probably give more color to this black and white greek psy scene.
Who knows, maybe this small crowd will get bigger  |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 14:13
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Excuse me but you accuse promoters of not promoting a certain style of sound that you like?
Why dont you take these risks dear Nurbs and try and evolve the suomi saundi or any other scene in our city?
Ever thought that the promoters promote the style that they like?I mean why should a party organiser book an artist that not only wont gather a crowd but that the organiser himself doesnt musically like?
Talking is easy but acting is little bit harder 
And what was that thing with the biggest percentage of people not having a musical knowledge?Whoever doesnt know what suomi saundi is doesnt have a musical knowledge?And what about me who knows about this music style but doesnt like it at all?I am also without a music knowledge or maybe now i dont have a music taste?
To finish with this story.
A)Suomi music doesnt have a crowd in Athens just like it doesnt have a big crowd anywhere on this world as far as i am concerned,this is not any promoters fault,its just the music that its not widely accepted by the people.
B)Promoters have no responsibility against any music industry or any music style,the only responsibility they have is to organise good parties and keep their word and keep the party crowd happy within their own powers.A promoter is responsible to bring the artists he has announced,to provice decent club facilities and a good soundsystem and make sure no problems come up within a party.Noone is responsible or obligated to book any new artists or promote any new sound.
C)Just because other people dont like the music we like this doesnt mean that these other people dont have a music knowledge or music taste,each to his own since beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.
D)If anyone wants to promote a new sound and a new music style then he is free to do so instead of accusing other people of not doing so,be the change you want to see in the world as Gandhi said.
Things are simple lets not make a fuss out of them.
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Nurbs
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 15:02
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My intention was just to share my thoughts but you turn it to more personal, tststst
Anyway
Yes, i am accusing the promoters cause this repeating of the same is BORING but not for something i personal like, i am sure that many share my thoughts.
Wish i was able to involve but both hands are tight from my work plus soon move to denmark for studding, maybe when i come back i ll do it.
But dont give me crap about the manipulation of the scene and the music industry cause we both know that its true .
And yes dear Detox, things are to simple thats the problem.
Variety in music will no harm nobody, maybe your pocket but hey....why should i care!?? I am only interesting for my self
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 15:58
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I also share my thoughts dear Nurbs and i dont have anything personal against you,i dont know when there is a disaggreement in this place everybody thinks that things get personal.
Back to topic.
Well the whole problem in this conversation and your attitude seems to be your statement "I am only interesting for my self" which is a very arrogant and selfish statement like you can understand.
You can love yourself as much as you like and support your preferences but accusing other people for not sharing the same ideas with you is i dare to say extremely selfish not to use even harsher terms.
You cant accuse someone for not acting the way you would like him to act especially when he is not harming you in any way.What you think as boring might be interesting for other people and what you think as exciting might be boring for the others,like i said before each to his own tastes and preferences.
You cant accuse in any way a promoter for not bringing the artists that you like or the music style that you prefer,its like me accusing Delta or Evga for not producing an ice cream with carrot flavour because me and my friends like it,if they choose to promote just vanilla and chocolate thats their right and i cant accuse them about it.A promoter has the right to act any way he likes as long as he doesnt harm others,if a promoter wants to promote just full on he has the absolute right to do that,if he wants to promote techno or progressive the same,noone is obliged to promote variety which is not always very welcome if you ask me.
On the same basis that you said that you are only interesting for your self i could say that i am only interested about my self and my pocket and i dont give a damn about the music you like and that you will never see any of your favorite artists in Athens but that would be very selfish from my side also,so i just claim that i do what i like best and you are free to do the same but you got no right to accuse me for doing what i like and not doing what you would like me to do
Saying that you want to see your favorite artists in Athens without caring about the pocket of the promoters is like saying "thelo na kano kideia me ksena koliva" sorry mate but thats not the way things work.Try to put your self in the position of others and see if you would do such a party in order to have fun and loose 2-3 thousand euros in the morning.
Good luck with your studies and work and waiting for some actions when you come back home
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Nurbs
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 16:47
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This '' i am only interesting for self'' was just ironic but in the funny way.
Dont have anything against you, i attend many of your events and i had a really good time .
Maybe i sound selfish in my post but i am not, believe me.
I do care about promoters pocket as i care for mine. Dont want see empty parties or shitty sound or anything, i just want people to have good time.
As for the music style, yes maybe i am ''weird'' and really difficult to be satisfied and i am asking a lot but its in my nature. I like variety cause i am getting bored really easy.
Again, was not my intention to sound selfish or arrogant or anything, was just sharing my thoughts towards to people that they know things and have the power to do something since i am not able to do it my self.
Got absolutely right, probably a suomi party will fail since nobody will be interesting for ''unknown'' artist that will see in posters. I am just trying to persuade for some variety but not only for my self but for all psytrance funs.
I ve make a pass from all genres of psy and this is what keeps me in this music style more than 12 years. |
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other_reality
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 17:17
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Vishnudata was my fav act for last year. I melted his cd...also like kiwa...
As for bookings and stuff, It is true that moneywise vishnudata or kiwa won't be the same as GMS or skazi....
Musicwise though , these acts are from the few remaining that try to sound fresh and originally psychedelic...
Bring yourselves into the light
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 18:04
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Other Reality the problem is not that Kiwa and Vishnudata are not moneywise on the level of Skazi and GMS.
The problem is that moneywise they are on a minus level of money below the cheesiest full on kid artist of Israel simply because not only people in Athens dont know any of the Suomi artists (while somehow they seem to know the majority of full on and progressive artists) but also because they are not much (if at all) this kind of music.
If i knew that a Suomi sound artist would gather on his own around 150-200 people in an event then i would dare to book couple of them for the morning hours but i am afraid that such an artist cant gather on his own more than 50-60 people especially now that the Suomi sound is not even half as popular as it used to be.
Sorry but moneywise it is too risky at least the way i see things.
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other_reality
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Posted : Jan 27, 2008 17:27
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Well, yes Detox, I know, unfortunately. And this is not only for suomi artists, there are many other artists that produce quality and fresh psychedelic sounds, from all over the world. I brought up Skazi and GMS as an easily understandable example ! What you say is true.
Our days in the scene are a bit rough, coz I think that very few people get informed about the new releases. The "level of interest" is dropping, so people tend to know only what they knew 5 years ago ! I've seen many great artists coming, with me anticipating their performance, only to see 20 or 50 people coming to the venue... Thessaloniki is a bit more in front of us at this particular domain (fresh artists). I remember going up there for Xibalba (at the time very few were aware of them) and the place was packed, and the people were dancing....Maybe Athens needs some awakening of some kind...
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