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goa-ganges
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Posted : May 31, 2008 00:33:45
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Suntrip, IMHO, has been the salvation for good trance fans, like me. People who just avoid cheesy trance are buying Suntrip because their releases are really good, outstanding.
But being an old goa graduate, there´s something that bothers me when I listen to CDs like RA´s last album. And it´s easy to realize that artists and label managers are being careful with their tracks - being careful with this ¨rebirth¨ of goa, or neo goa as some are calling it. Problem is that they´re being way too careful, and where one can see this? In the tracks, of course. Which sound just like they were written back in the 90s. That´s great, after all it was the golden years, the best years of trance. It was hypnotic, melodic, somehow sad, touching. But we´re in 2008, a decade past 2000. And when I listen to Suntrip, I have this sensation I am listening to an old CD.
Is this good? After all, they´re being careful to bring back this exact sensation: music from 90s dance floor. It´s. And it´s not to some extend. It seems that most tracks are stuck in a frame time that does not move on. Well, in my opinion, their tracks should sound both 90s and 2008. There should be a balance, because honestly, some goa tracks lack the funky, hypnotic beat that drive some (rare) today´s good trance. Where´s that driving beat that The Delta gave us with Thing? Or the the funky, swinging hypnotic Cosmic Ascension by Astral Projection? To me,today´s goa should sound more into 2000 and less 1990´s. And it bothers me to see that Suntrip buyers are not seeing that artists that are trying to be innovators are not being appreciated as they should.
Keep sending us your brilliant releases, Suntrip. But add to them some innovation, after all now it´s neo-goa.
PL.
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Diaks
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 18:02
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If you want something with innovative bassline and stuff you have tons of full on and what not, seems suntrip has found their formula and it works for them i think. If someone has a vision of how they want it to sound its all up to them, and since there isnt really no other labels around who distribute goa trance on CD i dont see why they should change? If they change then in my eyes they are no different from all these other labels that put the stamp "GOA" all over on compilations etc when in fact its just full on.
Deal with it not everyone likes these new basslines and overcompressed sounds that are all on the same levels, wich in fact makes my ears bleed :S for me pure goa trance should be exactly as it was in the 90´s.
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Anak
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 19:07
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I'm with goa-ganges here.
Not everything that came up after 2000 is about overcompressed sounds and full on basslines.
Most of today's new goa music misses glitchyness, fx and tricky percussion work to keep me really interested for the length of one whole album. The idea of New-School Goa for me is neither about making it sound like back in the 90ies nor about reinventing the wheel - it should take the best of both the 90ies and 2000s. That's why there haven't been too much New-School Goa tracks that really fascinated me, because a lot of it is trying to reproduce a certain vibe, which is just not possible imo given al the experiences we made in the past years.
Give me more stuff like Filteria - Tiny Universe, Talpa's first album, Pandemonium!, and less tracks that try to imitate Pleiadians with the same percussion structures à la 90ies over and over again, and I'll be happy
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Diaks
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 19:43
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You say Filteria, and then in the other line you say less stuff that tryes to imitate Pleiadians? Still i get your point.. but thats why there is "neo goa" and old school styled new goa, Pandemonium! is a good example of neo goa that is innovative indeed What i mean is that i liked more how the old school goa had more warmth in the sound due to use of analog equipment/synthesizers compared to this new stuff that has that digital vst edge to it.
And i havent heard anything new in the psy-trance genre 2008 that dont have this new type of mastering on it, where the snare drum, hi hats, bassline and kick are on the same levels in the face, they need to tone it down a bit imo.
Goa trance was much softer for the ears!
And im not the biggest fan my self of the pleiadians/etnica sound ,sure they have some undeniable goa classics but i prefer stuff from flying rhino or israeli old school goa stuff 
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Anak
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 20:30
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I thought that it would come along contradictorily. I only mentioned the Tiny Universe tune because that's the only one that imho sounds different than the rest of his tunes and it's the only that has caught me and still does everytime I listen to it. The rest is digested and forgotten very quickly.
I also get what you mean now; I'm not a fan of top-modern mastering myself, as we're losing instruments of expression with it. But you can make music that is softer for the ears and innovate at the same time (Pandemonium!, you said it).
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Diaks
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 22:24
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Okey sorry my bad did miss that it was the specific sound of the tiny universe track you meant
Cheers
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 23:49
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 03:57
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suntrip
whatever you do , work like magic
thanx
for goa ganges
there is many many labels with so many styles inside the trance
its not easy for me now to put my finger wich one has the sound you are after exacly..
but there is always my favorite labels list that i think is simply beautifull music influences with goa spirit and also involve new sounds:
giiwa , morning monster , vertigo , jolly fill music , exogenic
hope u enjoy and it fits your vision
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Addictive Elements
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 08:19
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yup ...still full support for suntrips music....and its not like their VAs r all the same....all the artist s in their VA lineups have a diff goa style......Ra's new album was not good at all imo....tries to sound like it was made in the 90's.......so many Goa artists coming out now...each have their own styles...some r still stuck to their roots...others experiment with newer contemporary sounds.....
But if Goa-ganges means marrying old school goa to todays fullon sound....im totally agianst it......no goa music should have anything to do with fullon.....
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 11:17
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Well, I absolutely don´t want, or even mentioned it, that neo-goa should be a mix between goa and full-on. That´s not my point. I just think that Suntrip fever will soon be cured, i.e. forgotten, with tracks sounding like they´re from 90´s with a fresh new cover. That´s how they look like to me. And honestly, if I want 90´s goa trance...I do have some Goa Destination, GoaHead here. As someone said above, today we lack that hippie atmosphere we had back then. It makes all the difference. Take Ra´s album for instance. It´s good, but it would be brilliant back in 90´s - as it really was with Dimension 5.
Goa trance not necessarily should sound so old. My point is that there should be some sort of advancement on it, it can´t be a mix of full on, dark, prog, minimal, cosmos or whatever with goa trance. It should be only goa, but sounding more modern.
I have bought Suntrip CDs, but after realising they are sounding like just one old track I sort of feel disappointed, because I was very excited about their releases. That´s the reason of this topic. And I am sure there are a lot of others thinking the same. As there are those who are very happy with it. That´s what I am asking, balance. Old and modern. Old only is not enough, it was in the magic years. But they´re 10 years past.
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mk47
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 11:25
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try some schlab stuff or those that tsabeat mentioned , squaremeat , salakavala etc .. lot of the tunes by those guys have full goa feel and www.resonantearth.com .. chk the new uminium cd (free dl) and many of their other releases , all free to dl and listen there .. sinister sunrise compil for sure .. lots of stuff .. go chk .. mantrix , prahlad , kox box albums also worth a listen
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 11:29
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Oh, thanks Tsabeat for the tips.
I know there are good stuff around.
I just mentioned Suntrip here, because I do wish them success, everlasting. And because they´re on the spotlight now. If they´re careful they can even create their unique type of sound, and be innovative and succesfull. As it is, I will keep stuck to my original 90´s stuff.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 16:20
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I think Suntrip are doing very well. In my opinion, they already strike a balance between old school authenticity and new school ideas. I listen to a Suntrip release and think "this sounds just like something from the 1990s" but this isn't entirely true. Suntrip's style is filtered through the lens of experience; their sound is how we remember old school Goa trance. It is not, in fact, completely identical.
In any case, their releases have been getting better and better so I don't see a problem. Every compilation is an improvement... and when you're on that sort of course, it doesn't make that much sense to go off in a completely different direction. I'll put it to you this way--how many of the late period Matsuri or Flying Rhino compilations are considered classics today? Both are remembered for their earlier releases... and I don't think it would have harmed them much to have remained on course for a little while longer rather than vying for more innovative (yet less memorable) experimentations in their later years. Sometimes there is great value in refining an existing sound... which, of course, is not to say that Suntrip is stagnant; their music is developing in interesting ways. Give it time...
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Sunai
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 19:49
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hmmm.. a many of artists who protuce a old school goa trance for me sounds a different from early and golden 90's(The Wonderboy,Subra,Afgin,Jikooha,E-Mantra,Radical Distortion,Filteria,Goasia,Mindsphere...),couz of that i call it new school Goa trance.
Antic Goa trance..Old school Goa trance..New school Goa Trance..Future Goa trance Rulzzz:))..and my best wishes 4 suntrip recs and another labels who tries 2 keep GOA alive. |
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 22:28
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Big Respect to Suntrip Records, their music is good music without a hint of commercial, the sound of goa made today cause there still is more quality in it. I don't like all tracks of course like in the old times their are special ones which i like more i mean. They are improveing bigtime so their is no way to argue, if they keep up this way i am sure we will be dancing like freaks!
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Boom :)
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