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STUCK IN A TIME WARP OR EVOLUTION !!! ???
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 00:39
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On 2004-08-30 22:53, hod gavriel wrote:
i doubt it.
even the greatest musical geniuses first studied composition or some basic musical education before writing their own pieces.
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Totally agree, to be among "the greatest musical geniuses" you are very likely to know a thing or two about musical theory.
I don't think I would define many trance producers with those words though..... but they still can make very psychedelic trance music. |
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 03:36
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The moment people stopped listening to psy and started listening to full-on (back in 1997-8) it was obvious that this scene decided that melodies aren't an important thing anymore. At the time Quirk were considered waaaaaaaaay minimal by the melody-loving standards back then. Nowadays old Quirk material is considered ubercomplex on every level (except sound/production quality - maybe). You want some complex and engrossing melodies? Listen to MFG - The Prophecy, The Art of Trance - Wildlife on One and Union Jack - There Will Be No Armageddon. Production is crap by today's standards, but these albums show that there was a time when people cared about actual music just as much as (or even more than) they cared about sound - and guess what, these albums still kick ass because of that.
Of course, nowadays, I'm happy with something that has a good sound and an interesting atmosphere. Years of listening to psytrance have made me settle for that.
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 19:36
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please everybody, be careful when you judge music.
i totally agree that htere´s a lot of crap music without much experimentation, love and devotion, but a lot of darkpsy stuff is amazing, both, technically and emotionally.
the thing is that it is very difficult to write melodic tracks without getting boring or cheesy. therefore i say that it´s better when our artists make good dark tunez than crappy light/ melodic/ lovely etc. ones.
you just have to dig deeper in the many releases until you find something worthy to buy. but this is good, as it sorts out djs who are really into it and the others who just want to be a dj.....
i only regret that it becomes very frustrating for the occasional buyers of music... |
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 20:30
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On 2004-08-31 03:36, kaz wrote:
The moment people stopped listening to psy and started listening to full-on (back in 1997-8) it was obvious that this scene decided that melodies aren't an important thing anymore. At the time Quirk were considered waaaaaaaaay minimal by the melody-loving standards back then. Nowadays old Quirk material is considered ubercomplex on every level (except sound/production quality - maybe). You want some complex and engrossing melodies? Listen to MFG - The Prophecy, The Art of Trance - Wildlife on One and Union Jack - There Will Be No Armageddon. Production is crap by today's standards, but these albums show that there was a time when people cared about actual music just as much as (or even more than) they cared about sound - and guess what, these albums still kick ass because of that.
Of course, nowadays, I'm happy with something that has a good sound and an interesting atmosphere. Years of listening to psytrance have made me settle for that.
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Hi..this is my first post here..i am a old-school lover...
I prefer the old days defently..
But something i can not understand is people are talking about the quality of the old tracks.. OK, the first M.W.N.N., Infinity projects, prana tracks and so on do sound old, but tracks that came 97,98 sound far more crisp, and alive then todays toy-productions.. Everything is not meant to be crystal-clear.. Listen to Shakta - Lepton Head III (Deedrah Remix), even if you like the style or not, you have admit it sound far more rich then todays productions, even if its made in 97.. Or how about X-Dreams Radio?? More crisp, and alive then todays dark music..
Since this is Isratrance, i will take one example i am sure everyone know..Infected Mushroom.. Compare the first 2 albums with the 2 latest (BP Empire and C.V)..I am only talking about the production..The first 2 sound more rich, more alive, while the 2 other were more like computer-toy stuff...
I don't know about you, but i prefer the old productions...
Whatever the style is, people should use hardware (or atleast some), because everything is so flat..I don't think many people have thought of this (atleast i haven't read about it anywhere)..I do prefer old music, but i enjoy the new one aswell...
AS long as it is well-produced, with real stuff and not lots of plugins coppied from DC..the problem with the scene today is that you dont see or hear that to often...
And yes i can hear when only plug-ins are used...
PS: Its ONE of the reasons why Posford music still kicks some ass....... |
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Stash
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 20:55
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On 2004-08-31 19:36, deejayridoo wrote:
a lot of darkpsy stuff is amazing, both, technically and emotionally.
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very very very true 
At the end there is a DOOR & waiting for you on the other side of that door is either HEAVEN or HELL |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 21:21
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Since this is Isratrance, i will take one example i am sure everyone know..Infected Mushroom.. Compare the first 2 albums with the 2 latest (BP Empire and C.V)..I am only talking about the production..The first 2 sound more rich, more alive, while the 2 other were more like computer-toy stuff...
I don't know about you, but i prefer the old productions...
Whatever the style is, people should use hardware (or atleast some), because everything is so flat..I don't think many people have thought of this (atleast i haven't read about it anywhere)..I do prefer old music, but i enjoy the new one aswell...
AS long as it is well-produced, with real stuff and not lots of plugins coppied from DC..the problem with the scene today is that you dont see or hear that to often...
And yes i can hear when only plug-ins are used...
PS: Its ONE of the reasons why Posford music still kicks some ass.......
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U can't hear.
And i think Infected production quality is at the moment one of the best, with there new album supervisor they have again raised their production quality to a new level.
Absolutly superb!
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 22:54
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EYB  sorry mate but you are off topic !!!
this is not a thread about pop, maybe you are in the wrong forum 
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 1, 2004 00:09
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Kemic this post was related to the post of MS-20, maybe offtopic, ok.
But why should i be in the wrong forum?
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volvox box
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Posted : Sep 1, 2004 03:47
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MS-20 i love that analog!
And again you all talk about a matter of taste!
And what i cant understand is this thing
where its apsurd that some darkpsy lovers say that full-on is boring (formula) music, and i really cant see what is the difference in darkpsy.
Same basslines all over again, pumped out in front of the other sounds, because the other sounds are movie samples or some done strings taken from somewhere or maybe some self made fluffy synths that i hear almost in every darkpsy track.
come on! i liked the first darkpsy track up to the 100th maybe but god damn that idea is overused and too many artists use it.
There are some original darkpsyers out there, but its some and the rest can be merged in one artist that makes toooooo mannyyyy darkpsy tracks. |
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 1, 2004 08:09
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And well psychedlic is expressed by all means differently by all types of creations, as we don't all think a like, take for instance ART Painting everyone has a different view so if you get 10 artists to paint a sunset they will all be expressed differently NO !!!??? .....So you are getting my drift yeah ??!!
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Yeah get it, absolutly true. The only right way to see art is to see it as expression of the artist.
Psytrance evolutes not as a hole style, its substyles are evoluting and new styles are coming.
Darkpsy is one substyle and evoluting, but also full on and progressive and all the other styles are evoluting. See the upcoming funk style.
Darkpsy is psytrance but psytrance is not darkpsy, there is more. And evoltion doesn't stop.
I like very much dark, but also music that is melodic, dark and light.
And volvox is also right, more and more dark stuff sounds the same at first view/listen but like always no track is like the other.
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EYB sorry mate but you are off topic !!!
this is not a thread about pop, maybe you are in the wrong forum
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I know that this threat isn't about pop.
And i am NOT in the wrong forum.
I said Infect got superb production quality in the new album, and whats wrong with that?
They are also part of the psytrance scene, as i said before they are also evolving, but to another direction. I don't know if you always hear only darkpsy, but i like to listen also other music styles, even not psy related, to develop sense for art and envelope myself.
peace
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MS-20
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Posted : Sep 1, 2004 08:17
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On 2004-09-01 03:47, volvox box wrote:
MS-20 i love that analog!
And again you all talk about a matter of taste!
And what i cant understand is this thing
where its apsurd that some darkpsy lovers say that full-on is boring (formula) music, and i really cant see what is the difference in darkpsy.
Same basslines all over again, pumped out in front of the other sounds, because the other sounds are movie samples or some done strings taken from somewhere or maybe some self made fluffy synths that i hear almost in every darkpsy track.
come on! i liked the first darkpsy track up to the 100th maybe but god damn that idea is overused and too many artists use it.
There are some original darkpsyers out there, but its some and the rest can be merged in one artist that makes toooooo mannyyyy darkpsy tracks.
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MS-20 is an awesome screaming thing 
There is also a reason why everything do sound the same..96-97 when everyone was using analogue hardware, everyone had their own sound. As soon as you heard something from Transwave, you now that is was transwave..The same goes for doof, old etnica, pleiadians, chakra, M.W.N.N, Prana, ux and so on..Today everyone is using the same plug-ins with the same presets.. Those old analogue stuff are almost impossible to recreate the same sound (and they have no memory)..and most important 2 identicall ms-20 (or whatever from that time) did not sound exactly the same...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 1, 2004 18:39
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The good old days hey... yeah I still feel a bit romantic about them. The parties was a lot more kicking and the music a lot more inspired.
About the kindof outdated discussion of HW vs. SW.
I wonder why most producers in all types of genres is using VA synths, digital multitrack and software nowadays.
Do they not care about sound quality anymore, or is it too much mp3's for them to be able to afford hardware.
For me when I got the pulsar DSP card some four years ago, I was really amazed with the sound quality you could achive using the synths and mixer on that.
And the amount of different sounding machines amazed me as well.
Now adays anyone can have a mutitude of sythesizers with enormus sound creation possibilities.
I remember 96-97 how it annoyed me that everyone seemed to use the nord lead then, because of it's very recognisable sound (btw it was a 486/66mhz in them at the time, with a box and knobs and some software). Another really popular synth back then was the korg profecy, also digital.
Very few artists at that time used only analogue synths, and most the ones I knew thought that the new VA's sounded great.
Agreed using only analogue synths and analogue mixer will sound different, and it's a matter of taste which you prefer. But to say that it's less variety in synths nowadays or that you get better 'quality' from analogue has more to do with your own subjective feelings about the matter.
And for me it was never romantic when my analogue synths decided to sound different every time i switched them on. I just thought it was annoying to find that my patch sounded completly different from before even if I hadn't touched a knob on it. Digital is bliss to work with if you compare.
And really listen again to the tracks from back then, to me there was for sure much less variety in sound in those day's than now.
MWNN, prana and doof sound quite identical if you compare kindzadza, digital talk and rinkadink.
Anyway, each to their own, and if you think you will make better tracks than producers using software or VA synth's go for it.
Most producers I know have given up on that though and think the advantages of working digital by far outweights any minute differences in sound with analogue equipment.
I can agree that there was a different inspiration level in most areas of music then.
You had so many genres forming at the time and being hyped. Today inspiration is much harder to come by, maybe because it's very hard to do something that feel new and fresh still. It can feel like everything is done loads of times, whatever you do.
And tell me, do you really enjoy a well produced but uninspired track more than a dodgy but kicking one?
So finally that brings me to the conclusion:
It's not about the equipment, it's what you do with it.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 1, 2004 19:48
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On 2004-09-01 18:39, Spindrift wrote:
Do they not care about sound quality anymore, or is it too much mp3's for them to be able to afford hardware.
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Human beings tend to follow the path of least resistance... just like how most people will sacrifice owning a physical copy of a CD they like with nice cover art and substantiality for the free mp3 download, I imagine many artists are content to use pirated software instead of buying gear and building a big studio.
I tend to find the stuggles over production value vs composition a bit pointless - you need both for really good music.
One thing to also remember when comparing old and new... Goa did not rely heavily on big kick drums - the focus was more on the hypnotic melodies. Nowadays the kick and bass line rules supreme - but recognize that there are different intentions behind the two movements. |
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volvox box
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Posted : Sep 2, 2004 03:22
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When creating music with love you dont really care what you're doing it with, but how to express yourself in a better way! |
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ganjagil
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Posted : Sep 2, 2004 10:26
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Hi there, this is very interesting subject and i like to see all these different opinions
about the music. I totally agree with you in some cases most of the music today is like
toy music compared to the stuff before even if maybe its more intelligent but the sounds
are not full power. DARK SEQUENCED MUSIC hehehehe this is not the case for me, what i mean
s that it's not enough to fullfill my soul! At begining of times there was melody and this
melody was called music! So how can music be without melody even if it's
dark you use a minor scale and there you go you can create dark music that has a dark melody
feeling and that makes you dance example FREQUENCY SURFER - RESPECT now that's what i call dark
music coming from the deepest hell and in fact not many people know of this artist! Nowadays
maybe it's 6 producers that make good music the rest are all at the same level of plastic!
I respect every opinion but for me a kid cannot make trance because to make trance it takes
years of dedication and love for the music not just make a groove and put some dark sounds to
it and call that music. I mean a good album takes years to develop and i know from experience
that you have to really dedicate your life to it! How can you call that evolution if like you
see written classical music it's wow all those staves and intricate notes put together to make
a 1 whole track! I would not ever go to listen to music that is simpler than that i'll listen
to one that is intelligent more than that!
Boom all is for the music just love it too much!
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