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zel
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 04:22
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To ask if 'our' parties should be filmed
or maybe it's better not to be shown to everyone is my intention.
My opinion is the Subject !!
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My wish is that only the party-organiser will be able to film 'their event'.
A high quality of the prodution would be the result.
Also it would be a support for the party-organizer when some of the crowd buy this.
A second result can be the limitation of inviews of our party-culture.
Only poeple with real interests will buy these films.
What you can see by searching with ggooogl is horrible.
..'GOA dance in the kitchen' ( ..??!!) and so on.
All this unsteady pixel shit of youtube, etc..
Threatening development in my view.
Sitting in front of a screen looking at other peoples dance doesn't transport anything
of a Psyfestival.
If you missed a party or want to remember a Festival in the past just sit back.
Use your fantasy. Imagine ..
Not to loose the elemental skills with all the technical things around is
so important.
The next point.
To show my private/familiar part to fucking everybody in the
WORLD-WIDE-WEB is not what i use to do.
In my opinion we should care about when every little kid and poser or how ever, not to talk about the people who could really disturb the partyculture, are able to watch all this videos.
There's nothing to hide but
lets keep the beauty in our minds unattached of technical overflow.
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ioan
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 05:03
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So what you wanna do? forbid phones and cameras at partys ??? If you don't like these videos don't watch it.
For sure a lot of video are very bad but there are some good ones too and it's great sometimes when you want to show what is a trance festival to people who don't know trance. |
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zel
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 05:18
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To forbid phones and cameras is impossible and
this is not the subject.
regards |
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Aida Noridania
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 06:33
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i would rather say "you fear the eventto be exposed in a possible bad way towards a crowd?"
well if you mind about how people can "see the event" then is it not better to stop participate in it as then you are more worried about how other people might think of your event (or scene) then about having just the fun of having had a party... with the film as good souvenir?
sounds a bit blunt but it's what i read between your lines: a fear issue
people are free live with it... if you fear something then jthere are two options:
1 stop giving the fear a reason to be and just get over it
2 don't get over it and well yea then you stay with the fear...
and i personally like to see short movies yes and i am sure in time that pixelstuff will be past as well
and even then if the organizer would compile a DVD i still would buy it i am more tended to NOT buy it if for such a stupid reason people may not film the event...
in the end we are at a party and not in a secret governement where filming is forbidden
edit: and as we speak even any "moron on the WWW" can read what you post...
so what's the deal? as i really don't get the point of this? no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you |
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Aida Noridania
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 06:48
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oh yes forgot to add (couldn't edit it anymore)
it's just that type of fear that "kills the scene" as in the end this fear from eventual people that may harm the scene will become the main focus while we party instead of the joy and love of being together as one...
ever thought about that?
no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
so may the force of life light and love be with you |
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simon_marklar
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 06:58
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Sarcasm
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 07:20
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^^ and business is damn low?
So drunk i can brarely spell. |
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zel
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 19:55
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Your fantasy is still working.
..Nice
Another try:
If people are used to feel 'home' with their technical toys is a question.
Do they feel less free without the photo-hany,digicam.
It'a question in our society as well in subcultures.
Are we able to focus without autofocus just by using our eyes.
Whats the result if people connect emotions with lots of technic ?
Personal freedom ? A Matter of opinion ...
What I thought about was how necessary is this on a party or for the party.
Imagine a party where people are filming others while playing with their phones/digicams.
Funny situation.
To look at a situation like this as a verification of personal freedom is
is one view.
And what a party becomes like when
50% is filming the other half while dancing?
>>>a bit over the top ,, i know.
To show consideration of the people who don't want to be filmed is another point
that is out of some peoples view, i think.
At the end:
I'm continuing participating.
For me this means to reflect and to talk about the result.
Cheers
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 20:01
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v.v2
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 22:01
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I think its the intention which counts...film, but
- respect people who don't want to be filmed
- try to see that your film is not showing someone in bad light
- try instead to take an overall focus where the vibe of the party is seen...the idea is to see people and recognise them but not see their glazed eyes
- weigh the greed of capturing a moment against spoiling the moment
- NO flash
Bottomline is: I think when you film people, you take something from them which is not yours, so it is best to respect that than to steal.
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Spycht
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 22:07
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The pixelation is a product of the flashplayer used on the sites you view these videos on. The best camera can be used and the video will still be degraded by the flash player.
The home psydance videos are probably made out of pure boredom and put on the internet for the same reason. You can find videos of girls twostepping to hardcore as well. It's something kids like to do. I have seen several videos where the comments ask what type of music the dancers are listening to.. So, maybe in a way these videos are helping spread psytrance?
The result of people becoming comfortable with technology IS electronic music. CDJs, Mixers, Synthesizers, Laptops.. all MUST be available for a psy party. Cell phones and cameras go hand in hand with this technology even though they are not used to perform the music.
I doubt more than 5% of a party will be filming at once. Ever. Cell phones/Digital cameras only have the ability to record short snippets of video due to memory and I highly doubt even 20% of the party own AND are willing to carry a tape/dv cam to a party where someone could easily steal it, spill a drink on it, or knock it out their hands.
To be videotaped against your will is a very solid point, but I can think of no way to prevent it. Something to consider is whether these people will ever even see themselves in these videos in order to know it happend in the first place. Also, whether anyone watching the videos will recognize the one guy they know in a darkened room FULL of people. Unless you feel that cameras steal your soul I see no reason to fear being videotaped at a party.
Personally, I like to see videos of massive parties on the web. It makes the ones that I've been to look like daycare centers. It gives me hope for the local scene and makes me want to help expand it in any way possible, not end it.
I am curious. How do you feel about still photos of good quality zel? |
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Pt.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 23:05
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For me personaly the problem is when realizing I'm being filmed. It ruins my whole flow and I seem unable to do my moves freely without feeling I'm showing off for the camera or that someone else might think so (for me this is real and annoying). I guess it's kind of egocentric and paranoid lol, but non the less for me it ruins a lot of magic. I remember being at a Juno Reactor gig and they where filming the crowd and show. I was behind on the side of the crowd dancing big circles Indian heyya hayya style kicking dust enjoying my shroom trip. They tried a few times to aim their spot light at me and my "ritual" dance, but shy as I am, everytime I noticed the light following me, I danced in to a dark corner so that they couldnt ,,get" me. On one side, Iwould have loved them to film me. But deep inside, I didn't want them to film me. Clearly I have a phobia for photocams and videocams.
e. + 1 on getting clips of psy events out with better sound quality.
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zel
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 00:00
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I am curious. How do you feel about still photos of good quality zel?
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Good quality pictures.. i like them..,but i don't care about.
Respect to the people who are able to make quality and courious pictures.
Some of these show real talent of the fotograph by reducing the focus to some essential points and this mustn't be a picture of the mainstage with a mass of dancing people.
It's possible that five pictures of a party or less could show more than 100.
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 02:25
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well, i belive is something that cant be avoided, our scene is based on technology, we shouldnt be enforcing against new technologic aproaches to the final result of a appealing experience...
I say avoid filming on the majority of the events (proper filming, the amateur cellphone stuff shall not be stoped, it is a new phenomenon in global culture that cant be fight against, and shall be quietly accepted) and organize a event with proper footage and clear divulgation of such intentions (like on the tickets and on the advertising) that way no one who attends its will feel offended by the cameras, and you'll also get a much warmer and confortable crowd since they somehow go to the party knowing they will be giving a image to be recorded, and already accepted the fact...
and i see video as a atraction for DJs and artists as well, not only for organizers...giving even a different and quite appealing form of income, dvds (and now blue-ray and simillars) has IMO a market a bit less rotten by piracy and p2p, for a few reasons, from size to facilitation of appreciation on proper media setup instead of an agreed on uninteresting computer visualization...
its just a question of time, smart will be the one who does it first...
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Galaxian
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 02:27
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i love to make clips at party... just to show my friends who weren't there how it was... and i love also to take photos... its always nice to have something to look at 10 years after and to remember with nostalgy "ahhh nice times"  i u dont like videos at youtube dont watch it. almost everyone at this forum is 'worried' and 'cares' about the scene. youre acting like psytrance is a sacred thing. well, let me tell u a thing - its not. you can see it everywhere and hear it everywhere. that 'psy'trance... so dont fight about it. IMAGINE yourself going versus stampedo full of angry bulls. and they will stop? yeah right. blah..
and the worse thing is that people who avoid modern trance sound also try to make money of it. its not how the things were working b4. and they also "care about scene", "make underground music"... no more that... in 2007 no more underground. and less and less good music. more and more crappy full on and more and more scary dark trance 160 bpm 5-minute-to-make trax. maybe u should make a new term like "underwater" where u cannot use camera and ppl are listening to totally new cool trance underwater music.
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