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slomi
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 05:27
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it's about the time to leave the "full on" stigma behind us and use some professional words to describe the music, maybe that's way there won't be one mainstream style! and maybe artists will have different power in their music... and not the usual power of full on...
the artists grow...the music grow... i think we should grow with them and see their music as music and not as another full on album or dark album!
it is psytrance and nothing less until the artist make it horrible psytrance, and then they call it in names to make this cool...or whatever...
what u thinkkkkk???
"stop say full on, stop classify in to small sub genre - It's about the time to be more descriptive!"
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 11:31
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On 2004-07-15 05:27, slomi wrote:
it's about the time to leave the "full on" stigma behind us and use some professional words to describe the music
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Ok You START.......
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 12:23
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I think what he really wants to say is that he wants us to look at psytrance as a whole, and not keep categorising the music. I think he has a certain point in that. Everybody wants to lump everything into subgenres nowadays, which is going to get really confusing. You'll get situations where artist X is going to be accused of making Full Power Psy (for example), whereas that artist will say that he just made psytrance and wasn't aware there were such categories. I think that we have enough categories as it is. To me there are only two genres. Psytrance and Chill out. Let it end there. When something has a darker atmosphere, you just say it has a dark atmosphere but you won't call it dark full on or some shit like that. We should take a look at the techno scene, where they don't have all these weird sub-levels. It's just techno. Well, here it's just psytrance!
Anyway, that's my 2 cents. 
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 16:31
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from an artist perspective a little clearer and more intelligent subclassification of the genre would be beneficial to say the least..
anyone know the value of a good classification index,, as long as it remains standardised and the labels/artists/promoters etc dont try to re-invent another new name whenthe music clearly fits into one of the indexed categories..
so for example:: (and i stress example)
minimal
progressive
morning psy
psy tech
psy trance
dark psy
bad shitty noise psy
i duuno,,, just a stab for the sake of my arguement
too many categories will cause mass confusion,, and too few would be useless,,
there needs to be a professional body set up,, with represetatives from the major plyers:: labels (artists and managers), distributors, promoters, outelts (online stores especially)
...a specific genre clasification map draw up and published/distrinuted throughout the scene and then when promoting and describing the music it can be classified and subcategorized as necessary to maximise efficiency in the infromation flow between the producers and the end users of psychedelic trance and trance as a whole,, threreby directy facilitating a clearer releationship between the consumers, producers, and distribtion channels,, and therefore enabling the smoother and quicker flow of money through these channels,, allowing the scene to grow and develop in many different areas; be they commerically, musically, culturally, and more...
pstytrance and the management if it needs to develop further to sustain itself for longer,, and for most of us involved it would be a nice future indeed,,
.... so who's gonna get this thing rolling?? its not so hard really,, but it needs to be someone/people very well connected and respsible for the players to want to contribute and attempt to stick to the classification system...
psy trance is no longer just psy trance.. thats the simple truth,, so to market it all the same makes no sense and i think a reasonable system can be easily contructed and manitained ( at least in the short run ) and would help everyone involved a whole load indeed
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Vanessao
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 18:34
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after all can someone explain what are the real differences between full on, psytrance and prograssive?
I am not able to classify anything technically but only by feeling, it must be an explanation... does it change, (i can hardly guess the difference between Techno and Trance)... but i can never be sure about it, and i think few people can... i always leave to someone else to classify it,
is it all about the rithm or does it have to do with the quantity of sounds on the base line? |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 18:54
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for me there is only 2 kinds of trance(music): good and bad!!! i leave the rest of the discussion for you guys.....
 
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 19:05
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Goa.Rachel
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Posted : Jul 15, 2004 23:02
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On 2004-07-15 05:27, slomi wrote:
it's about the time to leave the "full on" stigma behind us and use some professional words to describe the music, maybe that's way there won't be one mainstream style! and maybe artists will have different power in their music... and not the usual power of full on...
the artists grow...the music grow... i think we should grow with them and see their music as music and not as another full on album or dark album!
it is psytrance and nothing less until the artist make it horrible psytrance, and then they call it in names to make this cool...or whatever...
what u thinkkkkk???
"stop say full on, stop classify in to small sub genre - It's about the time to be more descriptive!"
against or support ?
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Sooooo true !!!!
sorting styles and different ways ... it just harms. although it does give us some pluses, it makes us able to be familiar with whats going on in the scene. and it also makes the conversations and discussions more specific and incisive, more understandable.
but this sorting of styles, just creating certain stigmas. and u know what i mean.
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Justin Chaos
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So.... do you really want to make me waste even more time talking about music??? 
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dj X.P.
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Posted : Jul 18, 2004 01:58
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What about me,I already posted in few topics about that and this my opinion.I really against this classification full on.
Also it is hard to nderstand what means full on.For me it is good word for the dancefloor mood.For example-how was the party-FULL ON.
Or-Did you see this girl,she is dancing full on.
But what about the music-what does it mean-145-147 bPm..Or special leads or kicks,or melodies?Booo
For me full on can be 135 also,and there are some supershit tracks 145.And opposite.
So...
Also to divide this music from professional side is very hard-there are too many styles.
But I prefere to call it modern mainstreem electronic music.
Easy and in the point.
I mean-GMS-Psysex-SUB 6-Sirius Isness-Skazi-Astrix-Eskimo-Void-Altom and many-the style of their music is quite different,so we cant put all of them in one particular shelf of trance music.It is Modern.Mainstreem.Electronic. |
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jul 18, 2004 09:15
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stop making fullon then we stop call u fullon
as far as u make fullon noone will call u different
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"GMS-Psysex-SUB 6-Sirius Isness-Skazi-Astrix-Eskimo-Void-Altom and many-the style of their music is quite different,"
its all sounds prety same to me
same stupid arp basslines,with "stop&blow" (nitzhonot" efects evefy 16 kicks,same pointless tracks
same "all to the face" final mixes (compressed to max volume)
what u want us to call it????????
rap?????????
about mainstream........
i also think it should called mainstream and not be considered anymore as psytrance but its just me
"fullon" is politicly correct word for "nitzhonot" for me
it lost almoust any connection to psytrance
so why fullon music should stop called fullon?
do u shame of what u doing????
p.s. i like the dscription of "E chewing fluro ravers of Israel." u got this one right Netpirate 
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furthur
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Posted : Jul 19, 2004 08:18
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To everyone here saying we shouldn't create subgenres in psytrance, I think you completely misunderstood slomi, because he said smaller subgenres and to be more descriptive.
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Posted : Jul 19, 2004 09:44
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The following are terms used to describe whats being played at london clubs (taken from the flyers!!)....
1) HIGH FREQUENCY PSYCHOACTIVE TRANCE
2) NEW WAVE FUTURISTIC PSYCHIC TRANCE
3) FULL-ON CYBER TRIBAL DOOF-DOOF PSY-TRANCE
4) TWISTED PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE TECHNO
5) PSYCHEDELICS- A PURER STATE OF TRANCE
6) NEO TRIPPY ACIDIC HOUSE (wtf?)
7) MELTING MUSIC!
- i think for me - i like these labels that are applied to psychedelic trance - its quite funny and also adds a little synopsis into how the organisers view the night and describe what they play...
i say keep the labels - IT ALLOWS PSYCHEDELIC TO BE MORE DESCRIPTIVE - although iM all for dropping full-on/dark psychedelic (its boring-think of something else BE IMAGINATIVE!!!!)
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