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stop calling psy dark
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Trick
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 01:24
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just call it full power musik
i want to listen to musik with full power psychedelic vibes all the time morning and the night
i dont care if it is kindzadza or legohead
just make sure ther is no cheeze involved
and its straight psy served up on a platter
for people to flip onnnnn
there is a lot of great musik being produced
and alot of shitty musik being produced
just have to sort threw the rubbish to find the good
i hope the psy scene keeps evolving and doesnt die
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 01:42
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ocelot,,,
i think i got the answer...
check out any shop(online)..
every CD info has this line.."must for dance floor"
in case u still didn't get it,, same logic 4 dark..sell sell sell whatever works..!!
sum dude has this signature here 'we dunt want only dance, we also want psychedelic. Keep it underground'..
killa!
 <~< "the best things in life aren't things" - art buchwald >~> |
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Nurbs
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 02:06
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All i know is that sometimes people use wrong words to explain something but the important is somebody that knows to correct them and explain to them. Ocelot,i understand your "anger" cause they are putting a wrong label to your music but you have to understand also that not everybody have your knowledge. But there people that know and can understand the different . I "create" also, not music, and i heard many times from people that they have no clue in the subject the words that they are using to "explain" *laughs* .
The situation is like that man, dont like it ether but....
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 02:59
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I cant make the connection between psytrance and 'rip your face out and shit down your neck' music. If people make that connection beacause of 'dark' labeling then its ignorance more than anything.
Intention seems to come from the end of the artists/labels. I havn't heard psy thats makes me want to do violent things... and I really hope that doesnt exist.
There's a gabber->psy crossover album called Twisted Minds From Hell. The addition of psychedelic elements took something that sounded like noise and gave it depth. a little humor, dispair, and a lot of rise and falls that mimic insanity. But no blood spilt.
It would take a very good producer to make the crowd get violent just because the music tells them to do so. No doubt there is a lot of that out there in the world... but it also involves a different attitude, a different perception and a different need.
The undeground psy trance scene is getting more psychedelic... and with that the perception of the music gets broader and breaks out of boxes. Labels that cant keep up with that are just plain stupid.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 09:02
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Psychedelic is not a label but a state of mind..
Maybe we should just call it again something beautiful like GOA.. |
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 09:41
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The music is the vehicle that takes you to a psychedelic state of mind. Some kinds faster and more 'landscaped/visual' than others. I used to love the full-on sound and still love the tracks from that time in my life. Very much like other genres outside the psy scene. It was more a connection with the moment and emotions. But taking a trip wise I really connected with the darker sound because it gives you the freedom to use your crativity to manifest the visuals you want to see. Someone is using layer 3 to see something while others are using layer 6... and then there are times when a bunch of people are experiencing all layers at the same time and its the grand ochestra of the universe. Boom Bholenath sab ke saath!
Full-on is great in the way that its easier to connect to the love aspect because everyones riding the same happy train. I can't forsake the sound because I need that input for direction. I wish they'd just find a new way of doing the same thing. Found some of that in house and progressive trance.
My personal favorite is ambient soundscapes and organic effects. CBLs latest album shines through... emotion driven but still abstract enough for you to engage different colors/places/emotions. Please try it if you get the chance.
Words... doing my best to express what I feel using them it still feels incomplete.
Outdoors and over a period of days is really how to do it. ala.. Ocelots progression through the day. Perfect. But with so many indoor parties aiming at selected crowds, its fragmenting the essence of it all... which goes beyond the music and is deeply rooted in being free and in nature.
Psy/Life caters to 2 sides of human need. One is to set our souls free and the other is to empower ourselves. The latter is a beautiful thing but it's also what leads to the corruption that enslaves us. Goa trance used to set my soul free... dark psy empowers me. Over the last year I've seen a lot of Goa making its way into the dark sound which is a big reason why I'd disagree when people say the music is not evolving. Heck yeah it is !!! and for the better! Thank you Zolod!  Labels (both kinds) evolve too ...please!
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masen023
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 10:45
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Dark psytrance (usually called killer psytrance, dark psy, "killerpsy" or simply dark, sometimes horror trance) is a darker and distorted form of psychedelic trance music that is made mostly in Russia and Germany, and more & more in other countries worldwide from last years. The music is considered to be less popular than mainstream melodic psytrance.
Unlike trance genres that are considered to be "commercial", dark psytrance does not generally use vocals, though there is use of sampling, usually, but not only taken from horror movies. The atmosphere and theme of the tracks often resemble genres like darkcore and cybergrind, and generally draw its influences from the heavy metal culture, however dark psy artists rarely use guitars in their tracks. Dark psytrance is also influenced by Musique concrčte (abstarct and disharmonic sounds) and usually uses glitch techniques. Most of the tracks haven't got a real melody, or have just a few note changes considering the other psytrance genres.
The term "Dark psytrance" firstly used by the audience of more melodic psytrance in the negative meaning to denominate this harder sound, but later turned into a widespread, and not scornful expression.
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 13:53
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ocelot
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 16:33
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man thats the article from wikipedia...
im listed on that page, as is absolum...
what utter nonsense...
i draw my inspirations from that old school goa feeling that was WAYYYYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyyyyy before the scando sound that was after the first minimal wave which followed the old school...
and NOT all the old music had that feeling- just like today. its not a nostalgia thing... its a thing about intention. "gathering" from infected started with samples about "no peace- die" for fucks sake! how is THAT honorable?
i respect all art that seeks to uplift the human from the condition of being stupid and violent.
i respect all art that wishes to provide hope for a better tomorrow.
plastic music that reflects an OK position with the status quo with regards to the our treatment of each other and our planet- this is NOT ok with me.
this is false optimism that can only end in failure.
this is the 5 minute rush of crack rocks... our species must evolve past "comfort zone" politics or we will die off like the dinosaurs... end of discussion. thats the the truth as i see it.
on the other hand- the horror trance and all the horror imagery and deadbabiesnailedtotrees on the covers of albums- this is just juvenile- its luke skywalker leaving his training early.
its the nagging argument that interrupts the first second of actual meditation.
it is the natural anger at our human condition, but misdirected.
yesterday we listened to punk rock for these needs.
today, someone got the idea to make it inside trance.
fine- all musics will be absorbed into trance in the end. no problem.
and let me be very clear- i am NOT associated with this side of the spectrum any more than i am associated with the commercial side of the spectrum
i go for what i see is truth.
i am inspired by hope and love of life.
i wish to survive.
i wish our species to survive and evolve and learn and grow and i am doing my part.
end of story. i think i made myself clear. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 21:27
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On 2007-01-30 16:33, ocelot wrote:
and let me be very clear- i am NOT associated with this side of the spectrum any more than i am associated with the commercial side of the spectrum
i go for what i see is truth.
i am inspired by hope and love of life.
i wish to survive.
i wish our species to survive and evolve and learn and grow and i am doing my part.
end of story. i think i made myself clear.
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It would be interesting to see a brief list of artists which you think are definitive to this way of life from your point of view, as I'm very curious.
One thing I've noticed about the psy trance scene of late is a lot of typical party goers don't really give a damn what they're listening too. I always get really excited when people tell me they are into psy trance, "finally something I can finally talk to someone about!!!", but when you ask which artists they appreciate and why, they often draw a blank which says to me that they arent into psy trance at all, but they do a few drugs and go to parties that say "Psy Trance" on the flyer. I think this is where this problem of mistaken genre identity comes from. Then some advertising thing gets the words "infected mushroom, Astrix, Dali, Yahel" next to the term "psy trance" in front of them (as only money can do) by the time they go to a real party the whole overload of different textures and tones gets poorly interpretted as "What's all this dark shit?"
I don't have a problem with this though. I just go to the parties I want to go to and ignore any negative comments towards the things I love.
I know where you're coming from though. It's like a really good TV series introduces some new characters to improve their ratings. Although these cool trendy cats have brought in the viewers, they have compromised the very concept of what made the show unique in the first place. And it carries on snowballing until it's just another clone of every other show out there.
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Divine Balance Records
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Posted : Jan 31, 2007 01:40
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Lets just call it FROLIC music and if its played at night its NOCtURNAL FROLIC!
how bout them apples?? Ok I better shut up before I start my own version of interpretations...
I will revisit this topic again!
BOOM SHANKAR
BOOM SHANTI
OM NAMAH SHIVA SHAKTI
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Posted : Jan 31, 2007 13:45
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a good term i've heard recently for that kind of music - "cyberdelic".
what do you think about it? |
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caiopro
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Posted : Jan 31, 2007 15:14
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I LUV TO CLASSIFY!
long live to dark psytrance - the truly psychedelic of the 00's
Lsdance Crew @ Belem do Pará, Brazil. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Jan 31, 2007 18:25
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On 2007-01-31 01:40, Divine Balance Records wrote:
Lets just call it FROLIC music and if its played at night its NOCtURNAL FROLIC!
how bout them apples??
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Actually I'm down with that! |
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psychedelic pineapples
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Posted : Jan 31, 2007 19:21
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i agree that classification squares the spectrum of psychedelia as psychedelia harmonises well with a free mind and spirit,
The tones within the music itself could be -
DARK<MELODIC<DREAMY<FULLON<HEAVY<LITE Etc
BUT GOOD MUSIC can enhance the feeling you what to achive i.e STATE OF MIND = type of sound, your emotional state of mind could also be a determining factor for liking and or labeling music----FREE WILL-If YOU AS A LIStner find a story dark or the sound dark,I dont think that it should really matter to the artist of your perception-the fact that it has some sort of impact on the way people accept it should be a positive sign.I agree that an artist would prefer their listners to view or understand their work as the artist himself intended to be ,however if that is not the case than it is a good sign from the point of view of the artist that people have seen different dimensions within your creative process. |
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