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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 14, 2008 15:56
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On 2008-12-14 15:14, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
parties are just a social thing. no ego death rituals, no redefining of ancient tribal rituals, it is just a social thing.
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No, it's all there, you just have to be on the receiving end & be open.
Personal experience at Shantijatra 2008, Nepal, caveman was re-incarnated, inside me, was so intense & deep, but nothing dark about it, as it was beautiful, vibes were ecsatatic, music was thundering & pushing the limits.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 14, 2008 23:32
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no, not pissed ybout the light. pissed that you say that kali is not dark. i mean seriously. even the word kali means dark.
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Kali does not mean dark. Once again you are ill informed. Kali comes from the root word Kal which means Time. The theory is that time devours everything and Kali represents time, like a black hole.
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 01:35
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Kali does not mean dark. Once again you are ill informed. Kali comes from the root word Kal which means Time. The theory is that time devours everything and Kali represents time, like a black hole.
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I guess the view varies according to whom you ask. It's certainly a lot of hindus that associate Kali with a feminine form of kala (black).
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mk47
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 05:20
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 05:35
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On 2008-12-14 23:32, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
Kali does not mean dark. Once again you are ill informed. Kali comes from the root word Kal which means Time. The theory is that time devours everything and Kali represents time, like a black hole.
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I guess the view varies according to whom you ask. It's certainly a lot of hindus that associate Kali with a feminine form of kala (black).
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I have feeling Fria was referring to eh 100% traditional religious interpretation and exluding other human interpretations.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 12:36
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no, not pissed ybout the light. pissed that you say that kali is not dark. i mean seriously. even the word kali means dark.
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Kali does not mean dark. Once again you are ill informed. Kali comes from the root word Kal which means Time. The theory is that time devours everything and Kali represents time, like a black hole.
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okey fria. i suggest that you please contact the european and american governments of science, culture, education and wahtever and tell them they are wrong. if you are so sure, then why dont you do this instead of calling me ill in every sentence. as far as my books in my library are concerned, it is written kali means the black one. which means dark. please dont use so unhonestly the fact that you are born in india and supposedly know more about it than anynae else. what do you want to reach? contact the minister of education and tell him to correct all books. he will be even happy to do that, they love such changes that can bring them millions of euro. but please leave me with your terms. yes i am ill. very ill. sick with darkness.
anyway i noticed the incredible skills of psykovsky at the party on saturday. yes yes yes genius. unfortunately i could not trip on him. dont know why. may be it is because of the winter, and the fucking coldness, may be it is because of this discussion. i could not interact. it was not a spiritual trip for me. cosmo and the ones before were far more better for my tastes.....this with dont call it dark, i find it simply anti attracting.
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mk47
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 12:40
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On 2008-12-15 12:36, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
anyway i notived the incredible skills of psykovsky at the party on saturday. yes yes yes genius. unfortunately i could not trip on him. dont know why. may be it is because of the winter, and the fucking coldness, may be it is because of this discussion. i could not interact. it was not a spiritual trip for me. cosmo and the ones before were far more better for my tastes.....this with dont call it dark, i find it simply anti attracting.
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 13:18
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cosmo and the ones before
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 13:28
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On 2008-12-15 12:36, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
cosmo and the ones before were far more better for my tastes.....this with dont call it dark, i find it simply anti attracting.
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I'd suggest it was taste then and not the music, because I wouldn;t even put Cosmo and Psykovsky together. I mean seriously, Cosmo doesn't play dark trance at all, he plays high speed glitch infused trance.
Psykovsky makes a much more intensely trip focussed organic style of trance.
It's like trying to say Astral Projection and Hallucinogen are the same style just because they come from the early goa era, when really, the styles are comopletely opposite.
I think what has come out of this is we need to just either keep our music classifying to ourselves, or else just accept what othe rpeoples views are and not care, cos it doesn't really chang your life.
Imagine Moki if you had gone "ok Fria, that's your opinion thanks for a different take" and left it at that.
Anway,just wanna say the new Tantrumm and Osom comps work wonders in the bedroom as well as the dancefloor
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kriz
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Indoor parties are especially hard to have a really serious experience, its more entertainment than the outdoor parties (IMHO).
But the ritual goes on, for sure.. Not all are interested in more than music and drugz, but why ? Maybe i can try to explain what i think...
I have also had this talk with other people, and the truth is that a lot of the values and traditions that was made is gone... A lot of the "core people" in psytrance scene is gone, and new guys who dont really care (or know) about stuff like this takes over...
We need this history and rituals from the start of the 60s-70s psychedelic movement/goascene.. Ofcourse we also accept change, but these values is what we got that is abit special for our scene..
The point from me now is that all this could be lost, the scene as we know it change all the time.. But the essence and the aim is still the same....
So I need to work, and all others who are really into this stuff.. More than just -> listen to music or dance to music...
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 14:14
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On 2008-12-14 23:32, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
Kali does not mean dark. Once again you are ill informed. Kali comes from the root word Kal which means Time. The theory is that time devours everything and Kali represents time, like a black hole.
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I guess the view varies according to whom you ask. It's certainly a lot of hindus that associate Kali with a feminine form of kala (black).
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There is no variation in views here, Kali is derived from Kal meaning time...it is not derived from Kala (which means Art by the way)...this is not open to interpretation, Kali comes from Kal  Time devours all, this is the significance of Kali..it is not some loose philosophy open to a myriad of varied interpretations, it is only ONE philosophy.
Don't talk about what the Hindu's interpret it as. I am Hindu and I am telling you it is not open to interpretation. It is an absolute truth so it's better to stop twisting it around.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 14:30
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I have feeling Fria was referring to eh 100% traditional religious interpretation and exluding other human interpretations.
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She didn't say that, she said "Kali does not mean dark. Once again you are ill informed. Kali comes from the root word Kal which means Time."
I hate to correct an Indian on their own culture, but that statement is wrong.
I have spent years living with Kali worshippers like Tantrik and Baul gurus and I can only say that from what I learned from them, Kali indeed means dark or black....maybe not the only meaning for the name you can find but it certainly is one meaning in widespread used also in religious circumstances.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 14:37
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I have feeling Fria was referring to eh 100% traditional religious interpretation and exluding other human interpretations.
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She didn't say that, she said "Kali does not mean dark. Once again you are ill informed. Kali comes from the root word Kal which means Time."
I hate to correct an Indian on their own culture, but that statement is wrong.
I have spent years living with Kali worshippers like Tantrik and Baul gurus and I can only say that from what I learned from them, Kali indeed means dark or black....maybe not the only meaning for the name you can find but it certainly is one meaning in widespread used also in religious circumstances.
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Here we go again.
Kali means Time and space, thus the black colour...Space is black. The name Kali does not come from Black, it comes from time. Time devours all, it is the only constant or absolute..that nothing will last and will be consumed by Time. Hence the black colour, symbolic almost of a black hole that consumes everything.
But the Name Kali is not derived from Black...so you too must have hung out with fake Tantriks ( there are alot of those, esepecially in Tantra, as it is the path that foreigners find most enticing). If you hate to correct an Indian on tehir culture DON'T...you are probably misinformed as most others are. Probably given wrong information by the Tantrinks and Baba's who want to use you.
Kali is called the dark mother based on the concept of her being associated with time, and devouring all negativity etc.
The greatest Kali followers, maybe you shold read up on Ramakrishna, their visions of Kaliw ere anything but Dark or Black..so while it is a misconception to associate her with such, it happens.
The truth is Kali comes from time, the entire cosmos.
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Spindrift
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There is no variation in views here, Kali is derived from Kal meaning time...it is not derived from Kala (which means Art by the way)...this is not open to interpretation, Kali comes from Kal Time devours all, this is the significance of Kali..it is not some loose philosophy open to a myriad of varied interpretations, it is only ONE philosophy.
Don't talk about what the Hindu's interpret it as. I am Hindu and I am telling you it is not open to interpretation. It is an absolute truth so it's better to stop twisting it around.
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You might be a hindu but why should I trust your word instead of the word of Kali worshipping gurus?
If you think I'm wrong please edit the wiki page for Kali and see if the editors agree when you remove the following statements:
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The name Kali means "black", but has by folk etymology come to mean "force of time (kala)"
Kali is the feminine of kala "black, dark coloured"
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And to say that the interpretations of Kali is not varying within Hindusim is certainly plain wrong as well.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 14:42
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I mean if you guys are getting your hard facts from Wiki it is just pitifull.
The hard core Kali worshippers would not be chilling out with a bunch of peeps in the first place. As I said, in Tantra exists the most rampant fake babaus...as this was the aspect of hinduism most enticing to the westerners as it mixed sex with worship and all sorts of things...thus it also became the haven for fake tnatriks looking to lure all the westerners, use the women for sex, take money etc etc.
Kindly read up on Ramakrishna or the great poet saint Ramprasad , the greatest Kali worshippers ever to exist.
Wiki is not an authority, neither are your stints with a bunch of Tantriks. Wiki can be editted by anyone...
Kali comes from the Sanskrit root word Kal which means time. There is nothing that escapes the all-consuming march of time. In Tibetan Buddhism Her counterpart is male with the name Kala. Mother Kali is the most misunderstood of the Hindu goddesses. The Encyclopedia Britannica is grossly mistaken in the following quote, "Major Hindu goddess whose iconography, cult, and mythology commonly associate her with death, sexuality, violence, and, paradoxically in some of her later historical appearances, motherly love."
As usual you are misunderstanding as well.
Give wiki a rest go to http://www.hindunet.com
I am not saying she is not black, she is considered the dark goddess, her skin is dark as well, but this is the imagery based on the esoteric concept of her being TIME. This does not stem from such a shallow concept as being black or a goddess of the dark side.
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